UnderGround Forums 165lb division - mathematically incorrect

4/17/19 7:26 PM
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The potential list of fighters that could go up or down to 165 is so diverse across the board that this would actually create this completely unseen before mixup of the divisions. So many potential new matches which have not been possible before. .

 

.. in theory

 

Although some in the MMA world criticize a potential 165 division as simply "a difference of 5 pounds".

 

But wait.

 

We have some actual measureable consistencies to go by. Lets take the linear curve of weight starting at 135 going up. 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205, 265. If you take a look at that chain of numbers you might realize that there is in fact a measureable consistency of weight disparity as you go up in divisions. It is a linear curve. What that means is that the divisions as a whole have a foundation of mathematical existence. However, if we include 165 we now have:

 

135,145,155,165,170,185,205,260

 

We notice that there is now an inconsistency. The only way to resolve it is to either remove 165 or 170. You can not have both. Since removing 170 is absolutely impossible, the only solution is to remove 165. What's better however, is that it doesn't even exist in the first place.

4/17/19 7:33 PM
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170 would become 175 dummy

4/17/19 7:35 PM
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Add 165 and move 170 to 175, 185 moves to 190, and 205 to 210, add another division at 230, then allow a super weight 

4/17/19 7:42 PM
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JitznPound -

170 would become 175 dummy

That's the same as removing 170.

4/17/19 8:51 PM
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there is no reason for a 165 division.

a) it would lead to more weight cutting problems. For every 155 fighter who moves up, there are 5 fighters who would then try to cut the extra 5 pounds from 170.

b) there is not one single fight that can't be made now that all of a sudden could be made with this magical 165 weight class.
4/17/19 9:31 PM
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oranos - 
JitznPound -

170 would become 175 dummy

That's the same as removing 170.


Yes, it is. It's what makes sense.
4/17/19 9:46 PM
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JitznPound -

170 would become 175 dummy

Fuckin This. Thank you .      Retarded thread

4/17/19 10:32 PM
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162.5 splits the difference between 155 and 170

4/17/19 11:05 PM
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HWT (no limit)

205

185

175

165

155

145

135

 

4/17/19 11:22 PM
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The Lion King - 

HWT (no limit)

205

185

175

165

155

145

135

 


I'd be fine adding 195
4/17/19 11:27 PM
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LOL

4/17/19 11:27 PM
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alkysmurf - 

Add 165 and move 170 to 175, 185 moves to 190, and 205 to 210, add another division at 230, then allow a super weight 


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4/17/19 11:37 PM
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Slowshot -
The Lion King - 

HWT (no limit)

205

185

175

165

155

145

135

 


I'd be fine adding 195

And 225 and 265+ 

 

4/18/19 12:18 AM
11/24/13
Posts: 3820
If we're actually making a bell curve based on the number of guys in each weight then the 145-180 range should be 5 lb. increments.

130, 137.5, 145, 150, 155, 160, 165, 170, 177.5, 190, 210, 235, SHW

That'd make 40-50 guys in each of those weights if the UFC kept their bloated roster they have now.
4/18/19 3:08 PM
7/2/09
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oranos -

The potential list of fighters that could go up or down to 165 is so diverse across the board that this would actually create this completely unseen before mixup of the divisions. So many potential new matches which have not been possible before. .

 

.. in theory

 

Although some in the MMA world criticize a potential 165 division as simply "a difference of 5 pounds".

 

But wait.

 

We have some actual measureable consistencies to go by. Lets take the linear curve of weight starting at 135 going up. 135, 145, 155, 170, 185, 205, 265. If you take a look at that chain of numbers you might realize that there is in fact a measureable consistency of weight disparity as you go up in divisions. It is a linear curve. What that means is that the divisions as a whole have a foundation of mathematical existence. However, if we include 165 we now have:

 

135,145,155,165,170,185,205,260

 

We notice that there is now an inconsistency. The only way to resolve it is to either remove 165 or 170. You can not have both. Since removing 170 is absolutely impossible, the only solution is to remove 165. What's better however, is that it doesn't even exist in the first place.

You've been here too long to be this stupid.  170 becomes 175.

 

Nice troll attempt.

4/18/19 4:40 PM
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I’m a huge LW & 165 is fucking stupid! Too close to 170 & will cause the same problems with some WW trying to make SLW. 

Do 162.

4/18/19 4:53 PM
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First post nails it. You remove 170 and add 165 and 175. Some guys move up, some move down. If two champs move to the same weight class you get them to fight it out. Massive shake up would mean at least two or three cards dedicated to either weight class and have everyone calling each other out to establish a new top ten ranking. 

 

If that doesn't sound like fun to watch I don't know what does. 

4/18/19 5:03 PM
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I would like to see every 10 pounds from 25 up to possible 195 or 205 then have it go to 225 and 265. I don’t think that waters down the divisions at all and with as many interim belts they hand out now a days it wouldn’t be anymore watered down than it already is.

4/18/19 5:34 PM
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where does the "removing 170 is absolutely impossible" assumption come from?

5/2/19 3:07 PM
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grandchampion - 
Slowshot -
The Lion King - 

HWT (no limit)

205

185

175

165

155

145

135

 


I'd be fine adding 195

And 225 and 265+ 

 


Ok
Edited: 5/3/19 8:11 AM
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Nerd. 

5/3/19 10:08 AM
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grandchampion -
Slowshot -
The Lion King - 

HWT (no limit)

205

185

175

165

155

145

135

 


I'd be fine adding 195

And 225 and 265+ 

 

Like the other divisions but not this.

 

HW is and always will be the thinnest division.  No need to split it up any further.  Maybe lose the upper cap (not that I really think it makes much of a difference), but I don't want to see an already shallow division get split into two shallower divisions.

5/3/19 10:19 AM
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165 has to come. Did Dana actually ever name a good reason why he doesn't want to do it? Watering down other divisions my ass. 55 and 70 have 80% of all the top talent in MMA. 

5/3/19 1:00 PM
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I like the idea of 165.  You look at Askren vs Lawler,  Lawler looked like a division bigger.  Guys like Till and Twood are huge,  they would do even better at 185.  There are some small 185ers that could come down.

5/3/19 1:01 PM
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Better at 175 I meant