UnderGround Forums Conor is tougher for Gsp than you think. Heres why

Edited: 9/10/19 10:35 AM
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Gsp relied on his jab for everything; to control, set up more offence, or set up the takedown.

For Example. Gsp would level change fient a lot. Opponents would be weary of the takedown, then Gsp would start upshooting his jab from his level change or squat \/

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Gsp would also shoot a jab or fient a jab, knowing opponents would be looking to counter his jab, then duck under the counter for a takedown. Or jab to keep his opponents guard up, pre-occupy them, then shoot in on them. Fienting and jabbing were the glue that held everything together for Gsp. By disrupting his jab, you disrupted his entire game.

Now In opposite stance match ups, the leadhands are constantly clashing

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A southpaw would already be in position to check Gsp's jabhand, smoother it down, or counter over it. That's exactly the kind of leadhand control fighter Conor is. You discourage or take away Gsp's jab, and you take away his game.

Johnny Hendricks would constantly smoother Gsp's jabhand with his leadlead. He would check and occupy his leadhand, and that kept Gsp from being able to establish his jab. Johnny Hendricks of all people was able to take away Gsp's jab, and that's why Gsp struggled so much against him.

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^ Hendricks hooks over Gsp's jabhand and throws a 1-2. Gsp tries to interrupt and throw a weak hook with his 1, and Hendricks's 2 lands with Gsp's weak hook.

Contrary to "popular belief" Gsp was not that great of a boxer; someone who could fight for leadhand positioning, and jab over, or hook over the leadhand. Maybe it was an issue on his fight IQ, but It was also certainly due to his poor feet placement and poor weight transferring on his hooks

Gsp also had this same issue with throwing his right hands, which is why an orthodox fighter establishing his own jab vs Gsp would have given Gsp a lot of trouble. With Gsp not being able to counter over their jabs with any meaningful right hands (due to his poor feet placement and poor weight transferring). This is why Gsp struggled so much with Shields. Shields would be circling to his left away from Gsp's jab, while popping off his own jab \/

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Gsp's poor weight transferring then didn't allow him to counter over Sheilds's jabs with any meaningful rights \/

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^ Gsp's would swing his back leg around his leadfoot (almost crossing). His back leg would literally bend in. He had no ability to push off and drive off his back leg onto his front foot with any kind of speed or force with his right hands on time. Gsp had piss poor weight transferring (which is why he often failed to put opponents away on the feet. there would literally be nothing in his shots with his balance issues and piss poor weight transferring)

Now back to the study

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^You can see at the start Hendricks controlling and occupying Gsp's leadhand. Positioning his leadhand higher. Hendricks was constantly winning the battle of the leadhands. With Gsp's jab nullified, Gsp had to rely on rear body kicks, inside leg kicks, and poorly thrown hooks for offence. Gsp was no where near the same fighter with out his jab.

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Not only would Conor take away Gsp's jab with leadhand fighting, Conor always returns punches with kicks. Gsp would likely try to start working kicks without his jab, and thats more countering opportunities for Conor.

Conor would constantly be checking Gsp's jabhand, occupying his leadhand preventing him from jabbing, and positioning his leadhand higher to smoother down, and shut his jab down

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Conor would be slipping his head to the outside and countering with his left underneath any Gsp jabs

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Conor would have a field day controlling Gsp's jabhand, pulling/grabbing and shooting his left straights down the pipe, fienting him out of position or into a left, shooting his lefts with Gsp reaching for his leadhand. It would likely get ugly for Gsp. When you take away Gsp's jab, it takes away his ability to hide his takedowns or set up his takedowns (as the Hendricks fight proved). No matter who it is, its much easier stopping telegraphed takedowns. The only issue is that Gsp is literally 2 to 3 weight classes bigger then Conor. But stylistically and skill wise, Conor is tailor made to literally toy with Gsp in a striking contest. Conor Is such a great stylistic match up against Gsp, that if they were the same size, Conor would run him over the vast majority of times. But size does matter in the wrestling, and Gsp could end up being too big, if and once he got top position. I bet Gsp would try to put Conor to the fence, but Conor's footwork makes that difficult, and Conor has a terrific underrated clinch game. I'm close to hitting the word limit, so I can't keep posting more examples, but in short, Conor would do great in the clinch nullifying/controlling, creating space to land, landing knees and elbows, breaking off and landing off the clinch

9/9/19 11:14 AM
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Gsp too big and too strong. I agree Conor can easily outstrike him but GSP will take him down. 

 

Post fight interview will go something like "I began to it im then I hear him say Ow fook then I knew it was over"

9/9/19 11:18 AM
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Gsp too big nice breakdown though 

9/9/19 11:22 AM
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Conor would spark GSP unconscious on the feet. 

And I'm betting most who disagree will respond with emotion rather than arguing against the brilliant analysis in OP. 

9/9/19 11:33 AM
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Conor has nothing for GSP      

9/9/19 11:34 AM
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Conor has nothing for GSP      

Called it

9/9/19 11:34 AM
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Mendes took Mcgregor down at will. GSP is bigger and ten times better than Chad. Mcgregor would get finished. Brutally. Weight classes exist for a reason. 

9/9/19 11:35 AM
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Conor has nothing for GSP      

Called it

Errrr...because it's as true as any fight that's ever happened. Mcgregor has a punchers chance, against someone with GSPs fight IQ that's basically zero. 

9/9/19 11:37 AM
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The Lion King - 

Conor would spark GSP unconscious on the feet. 

And I'm betting most who disagree will respond with emotion rather than arguing against the brilliant analysis in OP. 


Funny how you're here to show your support immediately as he makes a new thread..

9/9/19 11:39 AM
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GSP would tastefully rape-rape Conor.

9/9/19 11:48 AM
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The Lion King - 

Conor would spark GSP unconscious on the feet. 

And I'm betting most who disagree will respond with emotion rather than arguing against the brilliant analysis in OP. 


So people who think GSP wins are letting their emotions get in the way, but the dude with Conor in his screen name is looking at it objectively. Makes sense.

As for the fight, GSP would beat the shit out of Conor because Conor can't wrestle and GSP is one of the best wrestlers ever in the UFC...and he's way bigger/stronger than Conor. OP's breakdown was interesting, but you're ignoring a couple major things in the Hendricks and Shields fights. Both guys are excellent grapplers who are tough to takedown. Plus you're also ignoring that Johnny was juiced to the tits, and was tossing GSP around in the clinch.

Dudes like Chael Sonnen and many others talked about how strong GSP is, and nobody ever moved GSP around at will like that. GSP was boxing him because he couldn't out wrestle him.

People keep listening to Dillon Dannis too much, man. Conor can't fucking wrestle. He's a great striker, amazing footwork, excellent timing...he's great at what he does. However, he's not good at stopping take downs. GSP would have no issue taking him down, and GSP has fought killers his whole career and has been rarely hurt. So Conor has shown he sucks at stopping what GSP does, and GSP has proven he's good at stopping what Conor does...and he's bigger.
9/9/19 12:00 PM
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Conor would spark GSP unconscious on the feet. 

And I'm betting most who disagree will respond with emotion rather than arguing against the brilliant analysis in OP. 


So people who think GSP wins are letting their emotions get in the way, but the dude with Conor in his screen name is looking at it objectively. Makes sense.

As for the fight, GSP would beat the shit out of Conor because Conor can't wrestle and GSP is one of the best wrestlers ever in the UFC...and he's way bigger/stronger than Conor. OP's breakdown was interesting, but you're ignoring a couple major things in the Hendricks and Shields fights. Both guys are excellent grapplers who are tough to takedown. Plus you're also ignoring that Johnny was juiced to the tits, and was tossing GSP around in the clinch.

Dudes like Chael Sonnen and many others talked about how strong GSP is, and nobody ever moved GSP around at will like that. GSP was boxing him because he couldn't out wrestle him.

People keep listening to Dillon Dannis too much, man. Conor can't fucking wrestle. He's a great striker, amazing footwork, excellent timing...he's great at what he does. However, he's not good at stopping take downs. GSP would have no issue taking him down, and GSP has fought killers his whole career and has been rarely hurt. So Conor has shown he sucks at stopping what GSP does, and GSP has proven he's good at stopping what Conor does...and he's bigger.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Very obviously you're responding with pure emotion. 

9/9/19 12:05 PM
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Conor has nothing for GSP      

Perfect counter argument. To the point and correct. 

9/9/19 12:20 PM
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Conor would spark GSP unconscious on the feet. 

And I'm betting most who disagree will respond with emotion rather than arguing against the brilliant analysis in OP. 

HI CWTR

9/9/19 12:23 PM
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have you ever witnessed a woman  naked? besides porn, you literally talk all day on twitter and here about Conor. go find a woman, try to touch a boob... something. Conor would want you to besides being a fag that you constantly are. Conor thinks youre pathetic. 

9/9/19 12:37 PM
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This is OP....

 

9/9/19 12:39 PM
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9/9/19 12:43 PM
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The Faggot.King and Connor Never wins a title again are hilarious trolls. Know fuck all about fighting and have never even driven past a gym let alone been in one. More hilarious posts please.

9/9/19 2:54 PM
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In a striking only match I would still take GSP.

Conor quit knocking people out when he quit fighting midgets.

History will remember him as the most over-rated ever.

9/9/19 3:00 PM
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In a striking only match I would still take GSP.

Conor quit knocking people out when he quit fighting midgets.

History will remember conorwinstherematch as the saddest mcgregor fan over ever.

 

there fixed that for you

9/9/19 3:02 PM
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and by the way, writing 3 pages of post doesn't make a ridiculous argument any smarter, it just makes it longer

9/9/19 3:03 PM
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FRAT OP is a douche nozzle dripping in Conors vagina juice

9/9/19 3:03 PM
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I think it's actually a lot closer than some of you guys think. GSP isn't taking his hgh/epo sauce like he did when he ran through the welterweight division. He didn't look good at all against Bisping, but then again yeah, GSP would manhandle him in the 1st rnd or two until he gets gassed then caught. 

9/9/19 3:31 PM
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GSP would land a mighty "up jab" and destroy the poor Irishman 

9/9/19 8:19 PM
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GSP made great strikers look like fools his whole career. And he would dominate Conor grappling just as well as Khabib would. 

Thats your evidence right there.