UnderGround Forums Conor is tougher for Gsp than you think. Heres why

4 days ago
3/12/15
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I love GSP and consider him to be the most accomplished fighter ever. But you’re delusional if you think Conor wouldn’t wreck him on the feet. 

4 days ago
6/28/10
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The Lion King -

I love GSP and consider him to be the most accomplished fighter ever. But you’re delusional if you think Conor wouldn’t wreck him on the feet. 

lol

4 days ago
5/7/13
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ConorWinsTheRematch -
BJ Penn Forever -

This is OP....

 

"BJ Penn Forever" lmao. Go cry under a pillow because your "hero" is a washed up drug addict who abuses women and gets knocked out by bums on the street. You must "forever be bitter" due to how much BJ would disappoint, never train, and then get his ass whipped in fights. Literally a 50% winning percentage lol. Do you still have nightmares about GSP murdering BJ

Funny thing is, this almost describes conor. Soon to be washed up drug addict that abuses women and cant even ko an old man after sucker punching him. If conor had to work his way up the rankings, his record would be shit and he never would sniff the lightweight title.

4 days ago
9/24/18
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DirtyLickinsBrah -
ConorWinsTheRematch -
BJ Penn Forever -

This is OP....

 

"BJ Penn Forever" lmao. Go cry under a pillow because your "hero" is a washed up drug addict who abuses women and gets knocked out by bums on the street. You must "forever be bitter" due to how much BJ would disappoint, never train, and then get his ass whipped in fights. Literally a 50% winning percentage lol. Do you still have nightmares about GSP murdering BJ

Funny thing is, this almost describes conor. Soon to be washed up drug addict that abuses women and cant even ko an old man after sucker punching him. If conor had to work his way up the rankings, his record would be shit and he never would sniff the lightweight title.

This is a great post 

4 days ago
11/2/09
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25 secs max and it would be takedown by GSP and after that it would be Conor looking for a fastest way to tap. 

4 days ago
1/14/12
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GSP all day by using his previous experience of taking out trash.

4 days ago
1/1/01
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Are you typing with only one hand? Surely Conor doesn't let you suck his dick without some stroking in there.

4 days ago
1/1/01
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Jones right nostril -
DirtyLickinsBrah -
ConorWinsTheRematch -
BJ Penn Forever -

This is OP....

 

"BJ Penn Forever" lmao. Go cry under a pillow because your "hero" is a washed up drug addict who abuses women and gets knocked out by bums on the street. You must "forever be bitter" due to how much BJ would disappoint, never train, and then get his ass whipped in fights. Literally a 50% winning percentage lol. Do you still have nightmares about GSP murdering BJ

Funny thing is, this almost describes conor. Soon to be washed up drug addict that abuses women and cant even ko an old man after sucker punching him. If conor had to work his way up the rankings, his record would be shit and he never would sniff the lightweight title.

This is a great post 

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1/1/01
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put a tired conor on his back and he is done.Conors only chance

 is   to KO GSP early But they will never fight

4 days ago
1/1/01
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Conor loses to GSP 100 out of 100 times.

I do not believe he could even make it competitive.

The most over-rated ever, against the best the weight class has ever seen. What could go wrong???
4 days ago
4/2/08
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Dryfly - Conor loses to GSP 100 out of 100 times.

I do not believe he could even make it competitive.

The most over-rated ever, against the best the weight class has ever seen. What could go wrong???

This. 

Its an insult to any MMA fan with half a brain to even entertain the idea of this fight going into the championship rounds. This would be one of the easiest fights of GSP's career. 

4 days ago
12/14/15
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GSpenn fan -
Dryfly - Conor loses to GSP 100 out of 100 times.

I do not believe he could even make it competitive.

The most over-rated ever, against the best the weight class has ever seen. What could go wrong???

This. 

Its an insult to any MMA fan with half a brain to even entertain the idea of this fight going into the championship rounds. This would be one of the easiest fights of GSP's career. 

I can’t even believe it’s debatable. Mcgregor doesn’t have the power above 155 to one shot anyone. Let alone someone that leaves 0.1% chance of actually being able to land on him. 

Mcgregor would be power doubled within the first 20 seconds. As i said previously weight classes exist for a reason. 

4 days ago
10/16/07
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Balls Mahoney - 

I think it’s actually a lot closer than some of you guys think. GSP isn’t taking his hgh/epo sauce like he did when he ran through the welterweight division. He didn’t look good at all against Bisping, but then again yeah, GSP would manhandle him in the 1st rnd or two until he gets gassed then caught. 


only reason it's closer is GSP being older and out of the limelight for so long.

GSP always added something new to his repetoire with each new challenge that made his opponents have to abandon their game plan as he exposed their weakness or took the sting out of their greatest strengths.


I think there would be a lot of feeling out, Conor might land a lucky shut and get the win...but i think GSP out thinks him, frustrates him, and then owns Conor for the rest of the match. Conor would quit mentally on the stool by the 3rd or 4th...when he realized being stood up and the rounds end he only had about 30 seconds to land the miracle punch before GSP manhandled him for the rest of the round.
4 days ago
6/20/13
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Conor’s weak wrestling was always the problem

3 days ago
8/6/06
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You might have some solid points... if it were a kickboxing match.

3 days ago
3/18/14
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Yes the welterweight goat who finished bisping at MW is a worse fighter than the 145er that got outboxed and dropped by nate diaz. Unless GSP has deteriorated badly, he finishes Mcgregor every single time. Mcgregor could land his best shot absolutely flush and GSP would walk through it. Its not harder than the head kick GSP took from condit.

 

GSP is the most complete fighter that has fought and weight classes exist for a reason. Its like when Shogun got obliterated by Jone Jones. Jones dictated that fight with his superior skillset and size advantage. Remember when Shogun tapped to strikes? This would be a bigger mismatch. 

3 days ago
10/4/18
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ConorWinsTheRematch -
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This really does illustrate Gsp's issues. Because of his poor feet placement, balance issues, and tendency to swing his back leg around past his front foot (almost crossing) Gsp was rarely ever in position to throw that right hand quick over the jab.

Positioning is speed. That's why people would remark how Gsp "looks robotic or slow." Its because Gsp rarely ever had his feet in position to respond quick. You would see the same issues with him trying to hook over a southpaw's leadhand.

If Conor and Gsp fought, Conor would make Gsp look absolutely SILLY with the difference in balance, positioning, and weight transferring. People dont know anything about the actual details of fighting. The reason why Conor is always able to respond so quick off the counter is because he keeps his stance with him, has perfect feet placement, and is always in position. 

Conor vs Gsp would show you the difference between "MMA striking" vs actual boxing skill with positioning, balance, weight transferring. Conor would make Gsp look absolutely silly on the feet

Aren’t you the same guy that said Conor’s key to winning a rematch against khabjb was to shrimp out of his single legs ?

3 days ago
8/11/12
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sacredhate -
Balls Mahoney - 

I think it’s actually a lot closer than some of you guys think. GSP isn’t taking his hgh/epo sauce like he did when he ran through the welterweight division. He didn’t look good at all against Bisping, but then again yeah, GSP would manhandle him in the 1st rnd or two until he gets gassed then caught. 


only reason it's closer is GSP being older and out of the limelight for so long.

GSP always added something new to his repetoire with each new challenge that made his opponents have to abandon their game plan as he exposed their weakness or took the sting out of their greatest strengths.


I think there would be a lot of feeling out, Conor might land a lucky shut and get the win...but i think GSP out thinks him, frustrates him, and then owns Conor for the rest of the match. Conor would quit mentally on the stool by the 3rd or 4th...when he realized being stood up and the rounds end he only had about 30 seconds to land the miracle punch before GSP manhandled him for the rest of the round.

That may be, let’s hope this gets made eventually. Either GSP vs Conor or GSP vs Khabib are fights I’d love if they got made. 

3 days ago
8/10/18
Posts: 275
ConorWinsTheRematch -

Gsp relied on his jab for everything; to control, set up more offence, or set up the takedown.

For Example. Gsp would level change fient a lot. Opponents would be weary of the takedown, then Gsp would start upshooting his jab from his level change or squat \/

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Gsp would also shoot a jab or fient a jab, knowing opponents would be looking to counter his jab, then duck under the counter for a takedown. Or jab to keep his opponents guard up, pre-occupy them, then shoot in on them. Fienting and jabbing were the glue that held everything together for Gsp. By disrupting his jab, you disrupted his entire game.

Now In opposite stance match ups, the leadhands are constantly clashing

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A southpaw would already be in position to check Gsp's jabhand, smoother it down, or counter over it. That's exactly the kind of leadhand control fighter Conor is. You discourage or take away Gsp's jab, and you take away his game.

Johnny Hendricks would constantly smoother Gsp's jabhand with his leadlead. He would check and occupy his leadhand, and that kept Gsp from being able to establish his jab. Johnny Hendricks of all people was able to take away Gsp's jab, and that's why Gsp struggled so much against him.

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^ Hendricks hooks over Gsp's jabhand and throws a 1-2. Gsp tries to interrupt and throw a weak hook with his 1, and Hendricks's 2 lands with Gsp's weak hook.

Contrary to "popular belief" Gsp was not that great of a boxer; someone who could fight for leadhand positioning, and jab over, or hook over the leadhand. Maybe it was an issue on his fight IQ, but It was also certainly due to his poor feet placement and poor weight transferring on his hooks

Gsp also had this same issue with throwing his right hands, which is why an orthodox fighter establishing his own jab vs Gsp would have given Gsp a lot of trouble. With Gsp not being able to counter over their jabs with any meaningful right hands (due to his poor feet placement and poor weight transferring). This is why Gsp struggled so much with Shields. Shields would be circling to his left away from Gsp's jab, while popping off his own jab \/

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Gsp's poor weight transferring then didn't allow him to counter over Sheilds's jabs with any meaningful rights \/

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^ Gsp's would swing his back leg around his leadfoot (almost crossing). His back leg would literally bend in. He had no ability to push off and drive off his back leg onto his front foot with any kind of speed or force with his right hands on time. Gsp had piss poor weight transferring (which is why he often failed to put opponents away on the feet. there would literally be nothing in his shots with his balance issues and piss poor weight transferring)

Now back to the study

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^You can see at the start Hendricks controlling and occupying Gsp's leadhand. Positioning his leadhand higher. Hendricks was constantly winning the battle of the leadhands. With Gsp's jab nullified, Gsp had to rely on rear body kicks, inside leg kicks, and poorly thrown hooks for offence. Gsp was no where near the same fighter with out his jab.

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Not only would Conor take away Gsp's jab with leadhand fighting, Conor always returns punches with kicks. Gsp would likely try to start working kicks without his jab, and thats more countering opportunities for Conor.

Conor would constantly be checking Gsp's jabhand, occupying his leadhand preventing him from jabbing, and positioning his leadhand higher to smoother down, and shut his jab down

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Conor would be slipping his head to the outside and countering with his left underneath any Gsp jabs

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Conor would have a field day controlling Gsp's jabhand, pulling/grabbing and shooting his left straights down the pipe, fienting him out of position or into a left, shooting his lefts with Gsp reaching for his leadhand. It would likely get ugly for Gsp. When you take away Gsp's jab, it takes away his ability to hide his takedowns or set up his takedowns (as the Hendricks fight proved). No matter who it is, its much easier stopping telegraphed takedowns. The only issue is that Gsp is literally 2 to 3 weight classes bigger then Conor. But stylistically and skill wise, Conor is tailor made to literally toy with Gsp in a striking contest. Conor Is such a great stylistic match up against Gsp, that if they were the same size, Conor would run him over the vast majority of times. But size does matter in the wrestling, and Gsp could end up being too big, if and once he got top position. I bet Gsp would try to put Conor to the fence, but Conor's footwork makes that difficult, and Conor has a terrific underrated clinch game. I'm close to hitting the word limit, so I can't keep posting more examples, but in short, Conor would do great in the clinch nullifying/controlling, creating space to land, landing knees and elbows, breaking off and landing off the clinch

get some help @mmaballer ...

3 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 3770
Good Lord, I just saw this guy's Twitter. WTF??? He's like a male Annie Wilkes from Misery, Conor is his Paul Sheldon.

Someone said there is a picture of CWTR? Can someone link to it? I need to see this guy.
3 days ago
12/14/15
Posts: 4414
wrongaboutVitali - Good Lord, I just saw this guy's Twitter. WTF??? He's like a male Annie Wilkes from Misery, Conor is his Paul Sheldon.

Someone said there is a picture of CWTR? Can someone link to it? I need to see this guy.

Sure...

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12/14/15
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3 days ago
1/9/11
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VTFU

3 days ago
1/23/06
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When everyone picks against Conor like this he tends to win by brutal KO. Food for thought.
3 days ago
1/1/01
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HI CWTR other screen name