UnderGround Forums DC: I don't think Jon Jones is wrong

6/2/20 1:13 PM
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UFC president Dana White says Jon Jones wants “Deontay Wilder money" ($25 or 30 million) to superfight top heavyweight Francis Ngannou. Jones says he never asked an specific amount, and the contract negotiation via Twitter escalated, with Jones now saying he has given up his belt.

On the DC & Helwani Show, Jones' arch-rival, former champ champ Daniel Cormier said he believes Jones is serious.

“I believe that he is more serious about walking away because in all those times that he was suspended and hurt and all that other stuff - gone - he kinda learned to live without that belt,” said Cormier, as transcribed by Jed Meshew for MMA Fighting. “For a long time he held the belt that when he lost the belt the first time, he probably thought his world was ending. But then he was gone for two years and life probably didn’t seem all that different. So he’s probably looking at life right now and understanding that, ‘if I walk away from this belt, is my life really gonna change all that much?’ I think that gives him comfort, and being able to say the things that he’s saying. So I think to a degree he does believe, I do believe, that he’s serious.”

"Both of these guys have big egos. Not many people stand up to Dana White in this way and Jon Jones feels as though he’s so valuable that Dana White shouldn’t stand up to him in that way. I feel like anytime - it’s more public than normal - but if you think negotiations in football, baseball, basketball don’t resemble this, ‘Well I’m walking away,’ and then they come back to the table, ‘Well I’m walking away,’ and then they come back to the table, you’re insane. It happens at every level in every single sport, just not as publicly. It’s hidden behind a whole bunch of beautiful words.”

“I won the belt in 2015. I got me a good contract and I told Dana and Lorenzo, ‘I don’t plan on losing the belt but if I do, at least make my pay 300 grand.’ Remember when former champions used to make $300,000 and it was a pretty good contract? That’s my contract today! $300,000 as the challenger, because luckily for me, I never lost that belt, so I had the same contract making all that money from 2015 to 2019. So when it’s time for me to go and negotiate my fight purse for Stipe Miocic, you think today I want to make $300,000 to fight? No. Do you think I’m gonna make $300,000 to fight? No. I’m gonna talk to them and we’ve had beginning conversations, and they’re going to take care of you, it’s just a matter of how you approach the conversation."

“I am almost 100 percent certain that the UFC would pay a $7-8 million base for him to go fight Francis, and if he’s such a big star and it’s going to do so well, then maybe the pay-per-view will get you to the number that you want it to be. If it has as much intrigue as people are saying it does. And then that’s on the fans. It’s on the fans who are supporting you in this fight to go out and purchase the fight and when they do, now you make all the money that you need. That’s how I feel.”

“I don’t think he’s wrong. The guy really understands his value and he’s going to stick to his guns, good for you.”

6/2/20 1:21 PM
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I feel that by now Jones has deteriorated enough for DC to finally win. But on the other hand that could be just one of those cases where fighter A has the number of fighter B.

6/2/20 1:24 PM
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I feel that by now Jones has deteriorated enough for DC to finally win. But on the other hand that could be just one of those cases where fighter A has the number of fighter B.


What makes you think DC hasn't as well?

DC's now 41, 3 years older than when Jon KO'd him, and was also TKO'd just about a year ago.

6/2/20 1:29 PM
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Of course DC has as well. But he didn't look very different in his last fights. Maybe he will look old in his next fight but we don't know it now. JJ on the other hand has definitely fallen from grace hard.

6/2/20 2:01 PM
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Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 

6/2/20 2:32 PM
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JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


You might be right, but you can't exactly compare MMA to boxing in that way, simply because boxing draws are based on one fight per card, where MMA sometimes has co-main or even undercard fights that are more intriguing than the main event.

6/2/20 2:50 PM
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If I were Jones and I was moving up to Heavyweight to fight N'gannou I'd be asking for big money too. He is by far the scariest guy in the division and will without a doubt be holding that strap in the future. 

6/2/20 2:52 PM
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Of course DC has as well. But he didn't look very different in his last fights. Maybe he will look old in his next fight but we don't know it now. JJ on the other hand has definitely fallen from grace hard.


Fair point, but my counter is DC was just TKO'd in his last fight to a guy he was able to KO in the first round previously. That's not exactly supportive of a claim he doesn't look different, and rather more in line with a claim he is slipping as well.

6/2/20 3:06 PM
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JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.
6/2/20 3:13 PM
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If I were Jones and I was moving up to Heavyweight to fight N'gannou I'd be asking for big money too. He is by far the scariest guy in the division and will without a doubt be holding that strap in the future. 


This.... if Dana is saying “you’re going to get $5m to fight Jan B or $5m to fight Ngannaou. Who you picking?


Ya me too
6/2/20 3:22 PM
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Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

6/2/20 3:23 PM
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Sorry 13 fights
6/2/20 3:42 PM
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Never seen someone that compliments and agrees with their enemies as much as DC. 

6/2/20 3:46 PM
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Also, if Jones wants Deontay Wilder money,  he picked the wrong sport. No one is making Jones fight in the UFC. That is HIS choice. Take it or leave it. 

6/2/20 3:56 PM
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Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

BOOM

6/2/20 4:28 PM
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....DC is thinking. Go Jon. Then I’ll try to get the HW belt back and go down and get a nice payday for a LHW title match, which I never lost. He makes sure to point out he never lost his LHW title (randomly) in his explanation. 
    There’s a method to his madness. 

6/2/20 5:00 PM
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The Immortal One - 
Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

BOOM


Thanks for the Info...however i was not far off in saying that only the DC fights did 800k range.

Taking those 2 fights out of the equation the Average buys is under 500k. Is that terrible? Not for MMA it isnt. But to say that he is a top draw like Conor or even GSP ever was...its false
6/2/20 5:03 PM
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I hate jones and think its hilarious how much he is complaining and acting like a victim after all the shit he has done..... with that being said,  I would absolutely LOVE to watch him fight Ngannou and think he should get paid more then a shitty LHW matchup

6/2/20 5:27 PM
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Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

His top 4 PPVs had real life drama built in, not to mention he wasn’t the a-side vs Evans. The Smith fight is really the best one he’s had without help. 

6/2/20 6:09 PM
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Don J -
The Immortal One - 
Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

BOOM


Thanks for the Info...however i was not far off in saying that only the DC fights did 800k range.

Taking those 2 fights out of the equation the Average buys is under 500k. Is that terrible? Not for MMA it isnt. But to say that he is a top draw like Conor or even GSP ever was...its false

Don't move the goalposts,why does he have to take those two out of the equation.

6/2/20 6:27 PM
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EKPOGI - 
Don J -
The Immortal One - 
Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

BOOM


Thanks for the Info...however i was not far off in saying that only the DC fights did 800k range.

Taking those 2 fights out of the equation the Average buys is under 500k. Is that terrible? Not for MMA it isnt. But to say that he is a top draw like Conor or even GSP ever was...its false

Don't move the goalposts,why does he have to take those two out of the equation.


Because DC did alot of the heavy lifting in getting those buys...not sayings its fair. But its accurate. DC was promoting the fight while Jones was suspended. Remember "Jon Jones get your shit together, Im coming"
6/2/20 7:17 PM
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I feel that by now Jones has deteriorated enough for DC to finally win. But on the other hand that could be just one of those cases where fighter A has the number of fighter B.

Seeing that Jones is probably off the PEDs by now, I think DC would finally have a fair shot. 

6/2/20 9:51 PM
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Don J - 
EKPOGI - 
Don J -
The Immortal One - 
Corn Pop -
Don J - 
JOB - 

Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

That’s not true at all. Out of 15+ fights only 3, I believe, dis under 400k. His last 3 where numbers were released did over 700k average

Dc 2: 860K

Dc: 800k

Gus 2: 700k

Evans: 700k

Anthony Smith: 650k

Sonnen: 530k

Rampage: 520k

Machida: 485k

Victor: 450k

Shogun: 445k

Glover: 350k

OSP: 322k

Gus 1: 310k

Average in 13 title fights: 547,000 buys

BOOM


Thanks for the Info...however i was not far off in saying that only the DC fights did 800k range.

Taking those 2 fights out of the equation the Average buys is under 500k. Is that terrible? Not for MMA it isnt. But to say that he is a top draw like Conor or even GSP ever was...its false

Don't move the goalposts,why does he have to take those two out of the equation.


Because DC did alot of the heavy lifting in getting those buys...not sayings its fair. But its accurate. DC was promoting the fight while Jones was suspended. Remember "Jon Jones get your shit together, Im coming"

DC isn’t a draw at all. Even a super fight, champ Vs champ with him and Stipe, it only did around 400k. Jones vs DC averaged 830k. Jones vs Gus 2 did 700k. DC vs Gus did 250k

But you’re right, he’s not on the Conor, GSP, Ronda, Lesnar, or evening Anderson (although Anderson has some flops) level. Few are.

But a 547,000 average spanning 9 years is very good. He’s probably the biggest draw now with Conor out. Maybe Khabib. But def top 2
6/2/20 10:03 PM
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DC Opponents...

Gus: 250k

Lewis: 250k

Rumble: 375k

Rumble 2: 300k

Stipe 1: 380k

Volkan: He wasn’t even main event.

So without Jones, DC’s championship fights averaged 311,000 buys.

With Jones he averaged 830,000


6/2/20 11:24 PM
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Jones is a bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. Wilder v Ortiz did 225k buys. Jones routinely does like 700 - 800k buys. He should be getting Deontay Wilder money. Dana is a crook. 


False. The only fights that did well were his fights with DC, that were around 800k.
Take a look at the numbers of his other PPVs. Most of the time they were in the 300k-400k range. He has never really been a draw.

Even if his other fights 'only' did 400k, the statement is still correct as wilder averaged around 250k. Which.makes.him.a.bigger.draw