UnderGround Forums Do you feel less a part of the UFC today?

5/25/20 2:03 AM
3/23/06
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HillboFrateTrane -

Conor killed what specialness was left. Brock started it. They saw how celebrity and manipulating match making could get mainstream people to buy, and now they’re stuck on it. 

 

That’s exactly what they did to the BMf card.  They catered it to mainstream and used the Rock.  Lol.  I thought that was a new low creating a fake belt.  Plus I hated seeing The Rock out there putting it on Jorge Masvidal.  If anything it should have been Mike Tyson, or shit I would have been honored 100x more if the REAL “The Rock” Pedro Rizzo wrapped it around my waist! 

5/25/20 2:04 AM
3/23/06
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Bobby Lupo -
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FingerorMoon -

Let’s not pretend the ‘feeling’ was there in the last few years before the sale. People here were openly saying they were pumping things up for a sale.

What we’re reminiscing about is when it was a tiny niche sport and we were ‘supporting the sport’.  it was a different world then. Man I went bonkers in Japan in the early 2000s and saw actual MMA T-shirts for sale!

This website was the centre of the MMA world. Dana and Joe used to post regularly. Everyone was in it together.  That really ended in the late 2000s. Was a long time ago.

The sports is mainstream. The goal was achieved. We can all pay ourselves on the back that Frank, Lorenzo and Dana made a fortune lol

 

When were the first rumors of the Zuffa selling the UFC?  I remember hearing about it only like less than a year before it happened, and then it kind of came out of nowhere.  The big stars like Anderson and GSP were already on their way out in 2013, and since then it was Ronda, Jones, and Conor.  I seriously wonder if Ronda Rousey returning at ufc 207 was part of the deal of the sale?  It seems like all the characters this sport was built on in the Zuffa era just went away. In the last news stars took over but now the divisions are jammed up, fights fall through, its really hard to get pumped up for a fight these days, literally until weigh ins lol.  


There were rumors earlier that Shane McMahon was fronting a group that was interested in buying, and then FOX was going to buy the company. I believe that Zuffa pumped the UFC up with Ronda, Brock, and Conor all in the mainstream, and sold it before 2/3 left to the WWE and the other one spent more time in court rooms than training camps.

Nobody's that lucky. Failed PED tests, Ronda getting exposed, Conor and Jones getting arrested all over the place.

Zuffa passed a hot potato.

Ari will make his money and then some when they sell to some Sheik in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia who wants a prestige sports property in the portfolio.

Appreciate it 

5/25/20 6:37 AM
1/12/05
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HillboFrateTrane - 

Conor killed what specialness was left. Brock started it. They saw how celebrity and manipulating match making could get mainstream people to buy, and now they’re stuck on it. 

 


That's always been part of the UFC, and Shamrock-Ortiz actually saved the UFC. When Tito was the top star, he was fighting middleweights. The UFC created the lightweight title for BJ Penn and he went and lost to Pulver and drew with Uno.

MMA has never been about the best vs. the best. It's always been entertainment and pro wrestling, but real.
5/26/20 1:51 AM
11/20/10
Posts: 39524

Definitely agree with the Fox deal feeling like the end of an era. It was like the culmination of the UFCs growth up to that point, to have the corporate suits finally come get a piece of the pie after bad mouthing the sport for years. But after the initial excitement of it all, things just felt different. 

5/26/20 4:55 AM
6/15/04
Posts: 799
GeorgesRiddumRushedmyBumhole -

I used to to love mma with a burning passion but since Reebok and then the merger it’s now a meh thing for me. Instead of gathering friends and buying every ppv I just stream online to the one or two good fights on the main event card and I find myself watching mostly old fights on fb now :( idk what it is but nowadays it just seems kinda formulaic and...sterile(?) 

This. Right on point, from Reebok to being formulaic and sterile.

 

And I also agree that this is a really good article and thread.

5/26/20 7:37 AM
8/2/11
Posts: 4101

No. Still love it. Still go to every live event in my country. I am an mma fan and not an anti-establishment bitch

5/26/20 11:36 AM
6/2/04
Posts: 9380

I stopped going to the live events a few years back because the in home experience is great, and the events local to me don't really feel that special. It's no the UFC's fault, I just always enjoyed going to Vegas for an event and randomly bumping into Matt Hughes at the hotel bar...and that shit doesn't happen anymore.

The sport has grown to the point where there'd be cameras everywhere, people up their ass etc.

I remember one night at Madalay Bay and Chuck Liddell was half drunk with his GF at the time (Willa Ford) just goofing around on the casino floor. Joe Rogan hanging out and bullshitting (I was with Drew Fickett and Joe stopped and hung out)...there's no way the fucking champ of the world and Joe Rogan are hanging out on the casino floor, and in hotel bars now. It's gotten too big. I don't think it's the result of the sale that it's not the same anymore...I think it started to feel that way a while ago.

5/26/20 12:07 PM
9/20/19
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ThatsHowIRoll -

No. Still love it. Still go to every live event in my country. I am an mma fan and not an anti-establishment bitch

Tenners gonna ten 

5/26/20 12:08 PM
2/15/06
Posts: 25114

Another thing that changed the product for me was WMMA. Mixing the men and women fights together just changed the flow and made it a different product. It's not the same for me any more and not really something I care to purchase any more. They should have separate cards for WMMA and MMA. This would benefit the ladies so they aren't being compared to the more athletic, faster, powerful male fighters.

5/27/20 8:15 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 26853

Once Dana and Rogan are gone it's going to feel even more distant. 

5/27/20 9:37 AM
1/1/01
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yes and once they went to espn plus even more so

5/27/20 9:38 AM
1/1/01
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HillboFrateTrane -
ThatsHowIRoll -

No. Still love it. Still go to every live event in my country. I am an mma fan and not an anti-establishment bitch

Tenners gonna ten 

ive always thought he worked for UFC

5/27/20 9:47 AM
1/12/05
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Winston Wolf - 

yes and once they went to espn plus even more so


final nail.

I watch the fights on Youtube the next morning now. After all the money we've spent going to events and buying PPV, they want us to buy an app, so we can buy a PPV? They can fuck right off with that.
5/27/20 10:06 AM
4/21/12
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StrikingMMA -
Another thing that changed the product for me was WMMA. Mixing the men and women fights together just changed the flow and made it a different product. It's not the same for me any more and not really something I care to purchase any more. They should have separate cards for WMMA and MMA. This would benefit the ladies so they aren't being compared to the more athletic, faster, powerful male fighters.

High Five.

Ask 100 MMA fans what are their Top 5 WMMA fights ever, and after Rousey getting KTFO'd twice and Joanna vs. Weilli they'll be hard pressed to name 2 others. Maybe those who are old enough will add in "Cyborg vs. Gina."

Ask 100 MMA fans what are their Top 5 male MMA fights ever, and you'll probably have 100 replies that only occasionally overlap.

Look at the UFC rankings and see if you see any evolution in WMMA. A handful of women who might actually contend for a belt some day. A tiny percentage who can throw a meaningful punch. And a huge number of "fighters" who throw air punches and hope for a split decision win after 15 tedious minutes.

They are filler. On almost every card UFC can stick in one or two chick fights, and Rogan and Anik will act like they're something not to be missed. For most fans, chick fight = time to take a crap or make a sandwich or grab a beer or make a phone call without worrying that you'll later wish you had remained glued to the TV or monitor.

Jessica Eye vs. Cynthia Calvillo: Main Event. Yeah, UFC, I'm all about that.

'Nuff said.

5/27/20 10:31 AM
9/22/11
Posts: 2201

Times have definitely changed.  Much bigger platform, some fighters are starting to see big paydays, and I hope that trend continues exponentially. I’m on the minority but I still get all the ppv’s, watch almost every card.  I miss walkout shirts tho.  I had a few of them, as a way to directly support the fighters.  I feel like the UG is different too.  

Edited: 5/27/20 12:08 PM
1/1/01
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Bobby Lupo -
Winston Wolf - 

yes and once they went to espn plus even more so


final nail.

I watch the fights on Youtube the next morning now. After all the money we've spent going to events and buying PPV, they want us to buy an app, so we can buy a PPV? They can fuck right off with that.

i watch on youtube too the next morning or usually wake up at 3 a m.Also there no sports now why should we play for espnPlus  and ur rite just so we can buy a ppv ? Im 53 not super computor or tv savvy but ive actually tried to order espn plus for last ufc I called the optimum lady didnt even know what it was .I bought the first 200 UFCs I bought direct tv years ago so i can watch UFC and invite many UGers over Never once charged anyone.