UnderGround Forums Ed Herman reveals $ offer for canceled fight

Edited: 8/5/20 12:20 AM
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UFC on ESPN+ 31 saw so many cancelations due to COVID-19, failed weight cuts, and locusts that it ended up with just eight fights.

The standard practice in the league is to pay fighters their show money if they successfully weigh in. However, the COVID-19 global pandemic has apparently changed the convention.

After the event UFC president Dana White said, “they got paid some money, but didn’t get their show money.”

Ed Herman's last reported purse was 54/54 UFC on ESPN+ 10 on May 18, 2019, in Rochester, New York. He won so it escalated to an unknown amount. And then he won again at UFC on ESPN+ 21 on November 9, 2019, in Moscow, Russia, so it escalated again.

At UFC on ESPN+ 31, after contracted opponent Gerald Meerschaert tested positive for COVID-19, Herman reports he was offered 10k.

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White indicated that the small sums were holdovers until the fights could be rebooked. It's not clear if those will be quick enough to obviate the need for a second camp, with all the attendant costs and work.

8/4/20 1:41 PM
11/16/17
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That's disgusting. 

Edited: 8/4/20 1:42 PM
1/14/07
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Fighters need to demand updates to the fight agreements that show money is paid in ALL instances where a fight is canceled through no fault of their own.

But... that would likely require a fighters union to get everyone to take that stance at the same time. So we know how that'll turn out.

8/4/20 1:47 PM
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Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


At this point WGAF anymore? At the end of the day it's the fighters fault. You want to fight for UFC, well then accept whatever they give you.

8/4/20 2:22 PM
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Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?

8/4/20 2:35 PM
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

8/4/20 2:37 PM
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RdotC -
Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

Exactly. He did what he was asked to do. He should not be financially penalized bc his opponent could not fight. 
 

Where is the UFC experiencing any loss in revenue here? They re not. They are taking advantage of the situation to reduce costs and increase profits on the backs of fighters. 

8/4/20 2:54 PM
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You should always get your show money if you make weight and you're able to fight the next night.

8/4/20 2:55 PM
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

Gotta disagree here. The actual fight is part of the deal. Not his fault at all of course. If its rebooked soon just give him a portion and move on. 

8/4/20 2:56 PM
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes. Otherwise, they could be strung along for months to years without a paycheck.

How would you feel if you showed up for work and they said

"Sorry, no work today. Come back in three months and maybe we will have something then..."

You'd be pissed and probably look to work somewhere else. But guess what... they can't because of their contracts. So it's either not get paid and wait it out, or temporarily retire and go work full time elsewhere to support their family.

Shitty situation. If he did what he was asked, "Pay dat man 'is moneey"
8/4/20 3:07 PM
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RdotC - 

Fighters need to demand updates to the fight agreements that show money is paid in ALL instances where a fight is canceled through no fault of their own.

But... that would likely require a fighters union to get everyone to take that stance at the same time. So we know how that'll turn out.


Agree on all this.

8/4/20 4:06 PM
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ShanTheMan -
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

Gotta disagree here. The actual fight is part of the deal. Not his fault at all of course. If its rebooked soon just give him a portion and move on. 

If you show up to fight you get your show money.

8/4/20 4:28 PM
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Unless you no show or miss weight you should get paid

8/4/20 4:55 PM
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ShanTheMan -
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

Gotta disagree here. The actual fight is part of the deal. Not his fault at all of course. If its rebooked soon just give him a portion and move on. 

If you show up to fight you get your show money.

After a little more thought, show means show. I do agree with that. 

8/4/20 4:59 PM
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Is he not on a show/win contract? He should get his show money if he made weight and was ready to fight. 

8/4/20 5:08 PM
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RdotC - 

Fighters need to demand updates to the fight agreements that show money is paid in ALL instances where a fight is canceled through no fault of their own.

But... that would likely require a fighters union to get everyone to take that stance at the same time. So we know how that'll turn out.


do you know what an "agreement" means?

8/4/20 5:16 PM
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10k for a guy that experienced is insulting.

8/4/20 5:23 PM
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Glad Ed made this information public.

 

Fuckin' Egg gloating at the end of last year that the UFC was approaching $1 billion in revenue and he said a few weeks ago that the company remains highly profitable from all the adjustments it had made despite Covid -- "never been bigger," he said.


Then give the fighters a fair cut of that fucking money, greedo!!

 

 

8/4/20 5:27 PM
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If he fights in 4 weeks and gets his full money then, would this still be an issue?

 

Asking that aloud, I now am curious where the line should be.  What is a reasonable timeframe to re-book a fighter in situations like this?

 

He already had to go through a weight cut.  He did sacrifice hisself in training and cutting weight so there should be compensation there. 

 

How much time goes by where he is financially affected through no fault of his own?

 

Seems like a gray area.  Of course UFC holds the control on that aspect.

8/4/20 5:32 PM
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U

Fight

Cheap

8/4/20 5:49 PM
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There is more to this story than is being said here. 

They offered him a fight that night but he turned it down. They're working on a fight for him this weekend so 10k for a week delay is more than reasonable.

8/4/20 5:55 PM
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What fighters put into camps should probably change. You aren’t headliners or big money boxers. Drop the nutritionist, drop the 10 coach gym, paid training partners and find a way to make it work somewhere that will pay you to coach or something, while offering some coaching services to you as well. 10k ain’t a lot of money but the camp expenses should be cut down mike perry if you’re not a big name 

8/4/20 5:56 PM
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Mike perry s t y l e 

8/4/20 5:58 PM
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2breath2feel - 

What fighters put into camps should probably change. You aren’t headliners or big money boxers. Drop the nutritionist, drop the 10 coach gym, paid training partners and find a way to make it work somewhere that will pay you to coach or something, while offering some coaching services to you as well. 10k ain’t a lot of money but the camp expenses should be cut down mike perry if you’re not a big name 


Or they should collectively bargain for an acceptable revenue split.

8/4/20 6:07 PM
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Rickmassmma - 
Thebonfirexm - 

That's disgusting. 


If the fights aren't re-booked soon, yeah...but if the fight is moved back 3-4 weeks, he should get paid twice?


Yes.

He made all contractual obligations for a fight on 8/1.

He would then make obligations for a new agreement for 8/22.

Exactly. He did what he was asked to do. He should not be financially penalized bc his opponent could not fight. 
 

Where is the UFC experiencing any loss in revenue here? They re not. They are taking advantage of the situation to reduce costs and increase profits on the backs of fighters. 

I agree he should get his show money, but the UFC revenue stream is disrupted because no gate at any events.  I guess you were referring to no loss in revenue directly related to not having as many fights on the card, but at some point fewer fights means fewer viewers, so indirectly loss of revenue.