UnderGround Forums “I would cut Jon Jones & no Bellator“ - Big John

3/30/20 2:22 AM
3/23/06
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Great podcast.  Jones talk starts early, but the exact quote is at 16:20 min

Edited: 3/30/20 4:14 AM
11/8/08
Posts: 4473

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

3/30/20 12:52 PM
1/1/01
Posts: 3620
JoeHurley -

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

Spot on. It doesn’t help that he’s received so many slaps on the wrist for his behavior thus far. 

3/30/20 1:02 PM
6/8/06
Posts: 324
Of course he understands the problem but people can't change overnight or even in a decade. First step is to admit one has a problem...then call an uber.
3/30/20 1:04 PM
7/2/09
Posts: 6974

Not watching the video, but I'm assuming he thinks Jones should be cut and then somehow prevented from going to Bellator?  Yeah.  It's called keeping him under contract but not offering him any fights.  I mean, if you really want to lash out at him.  Or just stop manipulating the athletic commissions and let due process run it's course.  You think Andy Foster's tear-filled defense of Jon Jones was spontaneous and heart felt?  It was paid for.  So... stop paying for.

3/30/20 1:15 PM
1/11/17
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So these two great minds have figured it all out again.

They should cut him and prevent him from signing with any other org either. haha

You are not in the police force now McCarthy, unfortunately you can't make up the rules as you go anymore. It was so much easier in the LAPD wasn't it fella? If a black steps out of line you can just frame them and throw them in jail for a few years.

(Of course, he may actually end up doing a few years this time, which is fair enough)

 

3/30/20 5:33 PM
6/2/04
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I'll never understand some people. He's not a saint, that's for sure...but he's clearly got a substance abuse problem. I don't think DUI is ok, but it's also not a reason to get cut. There are fighters in the UFC and Bellator that have been in prison for violent crimes, and several others who were arrested for far worse and never did jail time...and nobody gives a fuck.

He fights in a cage for our entertainment for a living. If he's not allowed to have that job, which one should he be allowed to have?

I firmly believe that as long as a guy isn't currently in jail, he should be allowed to fight and make as much money as the UFC is willing to pay him.

Edited: 3/30/20 6:32 PM
3/23/06
Posts: 5616
JoeHurley -

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

Big John McCarthy or a Joe Hurley ?  I’ll take a Big John opinion 

3/30/20 6:29 PM
3/23/06
Posts: 5617
Rickmassmma -

I'll never understand some people. He's not a saint, that's for sure...but he's clearly got a substance abuse problem. I don't think DUI is ok, but it's also not a reason to get cut. There are fighters in the UFC and Bellator that have been in prison for violent crimes, and several others who were arrested for far worse and never did jail time...and nobody gives a fuck.

He fights in a cage for our entertainment for a living. If he's not allowed to have that job, which one should he be allowed to have?

I firmly believe that as long as a guy isn't currently in jail, he should be allowed to fight and make as much money as the UFC is willing to pay him.

You guys missed the point.  They say he should be cut because he NEEDS HELP and he’s a LIABILITY.  

The unprofessional thing to do is keep a train wreck like Jon on the roster.

3/30/20 7:06 PM
9/23/07
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That's why John McCarthy is a ref and not the President of a Sports League.

3/30/20 7:24 PM
8/8/18
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Brockback Mountain -

That's why John McCarthy is a ref and not the President of a Sports League.

Yep, cutting Jon Jones would be a terrible business move.

3/30/20 8:17 PM
11/8/08
Posts: 4476
knockoutfighter -
JoeHurley -

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

Big John McCarthy or a Joe Hurley ?  I’ll take a Big John opinion 

Well only one of us is on this forum and willing to talk with you, so it looks like you're stuck with a Joe Hurley.

Edited: 3/30/20 8:23 PM
12/17/06
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Dude needs slippers and a gown.

3/30/20 9:47 PM
3/5/12
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Brockback Mountain - 

That's why John McCarthy is a ref and not the President of a Sports League.


Let's assume this was the NFL even with all of the derelicts that play in that league. I would guarantee with Jon's record he would have been cut years ago.

And that is why the UFC is not a legitimate sport.
3/30/20 11:42 PM
9/23/07
Posts: 80779
GoingII - 
Brockback Mountain - 

That's why John McCarthy is a ref and not the President of a Sports League.


Let's assume this was the NFL even with all of the derelicts that play in that league. I would guarantee with Jon's record he would have been cut years ago.

And that is why the UFC is not a legitimate sport.

What Does getting a DUI have to do with sports?

Let the legal system handle his legal shit, let the UFC handle his UFC shit.

3/31/20 1:15 AM
10/27/18
Posts: 64
JoeHurley -

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

I know a lot of cops. 2-3 of them aren’t stupid 

3/31/20 3:47 AM
3/23/06
Posts: 5664
JoeHurley -
knockoutfighter -
JoeHurley -

They are so fucking clueless...but its not their fault.

This isnt about calling fucking uber. It's much deeper than that. Saying "Just take a cab or get a driver" doesnt address the problem. 

"Hey Mr Rapist, why dont you just get a girlfriend or hire an escort for sex?" BECAUSE LACK OF SEX OR A RIDE ISNT THE ROOT PROBLEM THATS CAUSING THIS BEHAVIOR

I can't believe a former cop has this thinking and doesnt understand what's really going on.

Big John McCarthy or a Joe Hurley ?  I’ll take a Big John opinion 

Well only one of us is on this forum and willing to talk with you, so it looks like you're stuck with a Joe Hurley.

lol I do give you props for sticking around. 

3/31/20 4:03 AM
3/29/09
Posts: 1321
Jon is the real life “Can’t get right” from the movie Life with Eddie Murphy.
3/31/20 7:56 AM
1/1/01
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Lol sure you would John. So easy to say you'd do this or that when you have no skin in the game or you think you can just tack on rules that aren't on a contract.

 

 

 

 

3/31/20 10:11 AM
1/1/01
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Jones needs to leave his wife and marry a mean, sexy bitch who will assault him for attempting to leave her with the kids so he can wild out. Don’t think therapy will work. 

3/31/20 10:41 AM
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“When he is disciplined, when he has a fight, when he has a structure, and a schedule – the military would’ve been great for Jon Jones, because it’s got structure. You’ve got to be here at this time, this is your job, this is what you do, and Jon performs beautifully under that structure,” said McCarthy, as transcribed by Jed Meshew for MMA Fighting. “When he doesn’t have that structure, he is a disaster. He is an unmitigated, just straight-out f*** up. . .
 
“Who you are is what you do when people don’t know. When they don’t see. That’s who you really are, and that’s Jon’s problem. Because what we’re seeing, like on that video tape, that’s who Jon really is.”
 
“It is absolutely incomprehensible that this man cannot control his actions. When he’s being arrested, ‘Oh I just want to be with my kids.’ No, you had the chance to be with your kids. You decided to go out and and drink and drive and shoot guns and you decided to take that ability away. You decided that. No one made you. This is going to hurt Jon a lot more than he realizes.
 
“I guarantee it’s not gonna be thrown out. Not a third time. They definitely have this as the second time, and they’re gonna look at it as a third time, and he’s going to do some time. It will be what we call jail, not prison, but he’s going to spend some time with his butt behind bars because he’s proven that he does not change his attitude and his demeanor and his aspect towards doing the right thing. He’s done it before, he’s now doing it again and they’re gonna say, ‘You didn’t listen to us the first time and you obviously didn’t even really take it that serious the second time, so the third time we’re gonna show you that you made a big mistake.”
 
“The UFC has always been hands off, and they’re gonna let the justice system do their thing, but Jon’s not gonna be fighting for a while so they’re gonna end up stripping him of that title. Again. How many times can you be stripped of the title?” 
 
“The real question is: do you want him on your roster? Do you really want him? . . . If I was in charge of the UFC, I would cut him. Not only would I take his title, I would cut him. And I’m telling you this, straight up, if Bellator wanted to sign him, I would do everything I could to say, ‘Why are you doing that? Don’t even think about it.’ Because all he’s going to do is bring you bad press.”
 
“What he brings to the cage, in the end, is not going to be worth what he’s going to bring to you on the outside. Because put it this way, he’s been lucky because he hasn’t hurt somebody. And I don’t think Jon wants to hurt somebody, purposefully. In the cage, yes he does, other than that, he does not. But he’s putting himself in positions of where he’s not in control of his faculties to the point where what happens when he hits somebody and they die?”
3/31/20 10:49 AM
12/6/05
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Big words from Bog John. I disagree with everything he says.

This is all a big nothing burger. People acting all sanctimonious like they are a damn angel.

this will be nothing. Probably get tossed due to all the covid-19 bullshit. And even if it didn't it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

I don't like Jones at all but Jesus Christ, let the guy live his life and hopefully get his shit together.

Big John thinks he's the reason MMA is around, Bahaha. Another narcissistic asshole talking about another narcissist. Ironic.
3/31/20 2:50 PM
5/31/07
Posts: 10785
Left_Hook_Cemetery -

So these two great minds have figured it all out again.

They should cut him and prevent him from signing with any other org either. haha

You are not in the police force now McCarthy, unfortunately you can't make up the rules as you go anymore. It was so much easier in the LAPD wasn't it fella? If a black steps out of line you can just frame them and throw them in jail for a few years.

(Of course, he may actually end up doing a few years this time, which is fair enough)

 

Damn, you sure are a fucking moron. 

Edited: 3/31/20 2:59 PM
1/11/17
Posts: 993
46and2 -
Left_Hook_Cemetery -

So these two great minds have figured it all out again.

They should cut him and prevent him from signing with any other org either. haha

You are not in the police force now McCarthy, unfortunately you can't make up the rules as you go anymore. It was so much easier in the LAPD wasn't it fella? If a black steps out of line you can just frame them and throw them in jail for a few years.

(Of course, he may actually end up doing a few years this time, which is fair enough)

 

Damn, you sure are a fucking moron. 

Shut it you silly cunt.
If you have an opinion on the subject post it. Otherwise go back to fucking your mother.

3/31/20 2:59 PM
2/27/20
Posts: 472
goldenboyart - Big words from Bog John. I disagree with everything he says.

This is all a big nothing burger. People acting all sanctimonious like they are a damn angel.

this will be nothing. Probably get tossed due to all the covid-19 bullshit. And even if it didn't it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

I don't like Jones at all but Jesus Christ, let the guy live his life and hopefully get his shit together.

Big John thinks he's the reason MMA is around, Bahaha. Another narcissistic asshole talking about another narcissist. Ironic.

It wouldn't be nothing if he wasn't rich and famous. 

 

He is a horrible rep for mma.  He is a dingle berry on the UFC.