UnderGround Forums Is Kyokushin applicable at all to MMA?

8 days ago
3/26/13
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The nice thing about the Kyokushin style low kick is that it can be thrown at a close range with great power.  The high snapping style kick is also good to use when clearing their guard with your same-side hand.  Stephen Thompson does this well.

8 days ago
1/1/01
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Im no Kyokushin or striking expert but to respond to the actual OP question, of course it is.

The big thing is that due to them not punching to the face, they have a huge gap to fill in learning that and defending against it. There are tons of Kyokushin/Full Contact Karate guys who go to Kickboxing and they work with boxers to fill the void.

As for MMA, same thing I would assume but the fact that you have numerous MMA guys and KBers with those backgrounds should tell you something.
8 days ago
7/5/13
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Applicable “at all”... yes, hard kicks and punches, defensive techniques & a hardened body from full contact sparring would be applicable.

8 days ago
10/26/05
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Ask GSP...
8 days ago
6/5/12
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yes theres plenty of katas in kyokushin, all part of the grading process, along with getting your ass kicked sparring

 

7 days ago
9/26/07
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Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi  kyokushin with punches to the head allowed

7 days ago
7/2/07
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Denis Kelly - 

Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi  kyokushin with punches to the head allowed


YES which is a great combination. Bas and the gang all have influence.


I recall when my dojo very quietly brought in a boxing coach (also tons of martial arts experience) to prepare for tournaments in Japan that included face contact/punching.

The Uchi Deshi from Japan picked up the face punching and incorporating it in no time.

7 days ago
7/2/07
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Wasa-B - Im no Kyokushin or striking expert but to respond to the actual OP question, of course it is.

The big thing is that due to them not punching to the face, they have a huge gap to fill in learning that and defending against it. There are tons of Kyokushin/Full Contact Karate guys who go to Kickboxing and they work with boxers to fill the void.

As for MMA, same thing I would assume but the fact that you have numerous MMA guys and KBers with those backgrounds should tell you something.

Missed your post before making the one above.

7 days ago
1/1/01
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Denis Kelly -

Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi  kyokushin with punches to the head allowed

Indeed, it goes back kurosaki, the founder of meijiro gym in japan and jon blumings kyokushin instructor. Kurosaki was also the only one of the kyokushin team to lose at Rajadamnern to the thais

7 days ago
7/2/07
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de braco - 
Denis Kelly -

Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi  kyokushin with punches to the head allowed

Indeed, it goes back kurosaki, the founder of meijiro gym in japan and jon blumings kyokushin instructor. Kurosaki was also the only one of the kyokushin team to lose at Rajadamnern to the thais


We should call you the missing link of information and martial arts history.


By the way as a young Kyokushin student I visited SIFU yellow track suit class. When we told SIFU we trained Kyokushin he went on an immature rant against Kyokushin and how he would smash the "little Japanese guys. "

Of course I knew the Uchi Deshi would have dismantled the fellow.

7 days ago
1/1/01
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Oh god, the Lamar is a real piece of work. Was that japanese garden at his house or a local park? I remember all his articles being photographed with him in a japanese garden chain punching some fool into bolivia

7 days ago
7/2/07
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^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.

Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.
7 days ago
7/28/02
Posts: 11179

as a kid learning the different styles at the birth of mma i loved watching these multiple match tournaments where the guys would be all taped up from the battle previous

 

7 days ago
1/1/01
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williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.

Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.

What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i've got one of his vhs instructionals and it's sheer madness for an hour

7 days ago
7/2/07
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de braco - 
williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.

Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.

What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i've got one of his vhs instructionals and it's sheer madness for an hour


Sometime I need to try to remember every nutty and goofy story I know of about the character and start a thread.


Since you mention a park, I remember once myself and a pal making him really mad on the phone (You can guess details or purpose of call).

He told us to meet him by a bridge at a park at midnight promising he would teach us a lesson.
7 days ago
9/8/02
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It is one of the most applicable stand up styles period. Very rigid and tough. 

7 days ago
1/1/01
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williepep -
de braco - 
williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.

Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.

What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i've got one of his vhs instructionals and it's sheer madness for an hour


Sometime I need to try to remember every nutty and goofy story I know of about the character and start a thread.


Since you mention a park, I remember once myself and a pal making him really mad on the phone (You can guess details or purpose of call).

He told us to meet him by a bridge at a park at midnight promising he would teach us a lesson.

Yikes! I shudder to wonder what the lesson would entail

7 days ago
7/2/07
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jcblass - 

It is one of the most applicable stand up styles period. Very rigid and tough. 


If someone is not familiar with it and especially newer or younger MMA fans that are interested in a bit of history should really check it out.

Also try to view it in the context of the time frame prior to an MMA fight on every weekend and MMA schools on every corner.


Tough style with some seriously committed tough tournament fighters and Uchi Deshi, instructors.


As a kid I used to watch "Fighting Black Kings" over and over since there was not a lot of sources to see fights. Sadly I had the narration and dialogue of the show pretty much memorized.
7 days ago
1/1/01
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Denis Kelly - 

Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi  kyokushin with punches to the head allowed


As well, modern KB as prize fighting and the style itself as we know it also has direct lineage from Kyokushin
7 days ago
7/2/07
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I still keep advertising posters from early knockdown tournaments. It was always a neat time as a kid when the fighters would show up from all over the world. The Dutch were always well represented.

Thread is motivating me to dig out my old student card which lists the Dojo Kun.


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We will pursue the true meaning of the Martial Way, so that in time our senses may be alert.
With true vigor, we will seek to cultivate a spirit of self denial.
We will observe the rules of courtesy, respect our superiors, and refrain from violence.
We will follow our God, and never forget the true virtue of humility.
We will look upwards to wisdom and strength, not seeking other desires.
All our lives, through the discipline of Karate, we will seek to fulfill the true meaning of the Kyokushin Way.
7 days ago
10/11/18
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de braco - 
Rakoshi -

I would put the level of usefulness about like Capoeira. Helps some but not gonna make you a consistent winner. 

you must be the stupidest motherfucker alive, or are 10 years years old


This forum was much better when it was filled with people who actually train.
7 days ago
7/2/07
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Mr Karate - 
de braco - 
Rakoshi -

I would put the level of usefulness about like Capoeira. Helps some but not gonna make you a consistent winner. 

you must be the stupidest motherfucker alive, or are 10 years years old


This forum was much better when it was filled with people who actually train.

OSU
6 days ago
10/11/18
Posts: 1113
williepep - 
Mr Karate - 
de braco - 
Rakoshi -

I would put the level of usefulness about like Capoeira. Helps some but not gonna make you a consistent winner. 

you must be the stupidest motherfucker alive, or are 10 years years old


This forum was much better when it was filled with people who actually train.

OSU

OSU
6 days ago
3/27/03
Posts: 43875

Looks like a great way to learn some bad habits 

6 days ago
7/28/02
Posts: 11190

no one style is complete, Bruce said to take what works and disregard the rest

my opinion is that the best technique from kyokoshin for mma would be the combination of striking into a sweep and adding ground and pound from top position