UnderGround Forums Ken Shamrock KO'd Mark Coleman in training ?

7/4/13 12:21 PM
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People underestimate Ken based on certain fights, but back in his day he was a beast who would smash people in training. He was way tougher than people think. You never hear anyone who has trained with him say otherwise. Phone Post
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ALOT of current UFC and MMA stars like Roy Nelson,Ricco Rodriguez,Anthony Johnson,John Gunderson,Pat Healy,and Evan Dunham all trained with us @ Susanville/Reno and I'm sure they would all agree that even then the "old man" still hadn't lost it all. Ken had all of us try and take him down during training one day while he in the middle... Not one of us took him down. But as we all know age catches up with us. Is it fair to say that he is "The World's Most Dangerous OLD Man"?
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Ashe Bowman - ALOT of current UFC and MMA stars like Roy Nelson,Ricco Rodriguez,Anthony Johnson,John Gunderson,Pat Healy,and Evan Dunham all trained with us @ Susanville/Reno and I'm sure they would all agree that even then the "old man" still hadn't lost it all. Ken had all of us try and take him down during training one day while he in the middle... Not one of us took him down. But as we all know age catches up with us. Is it fair to say that he is "The World's Most Dangerous OLD Man"?

Nice Ashe ! Any more Ken or Ken training w/ Coleman stories ? Did Randleman train there too ?
7/4/13 5:51 PM
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thomase - I've rolled with many many top guys on a consistent basis over the last 15 years. When I was training with Ken for his UFC 48 fight against Kimo (I think it was 48 iirc) he was by far the strongest person I'd ever trained with. That wasn't even a prime Ken either. He really was a beast back in the day!

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7/4/13 5:56 PM
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QTyp - Ken vs Coleman was one of my dream matches back in the day. I always thought Mark would ground and pound him like Tito did, so it is cool hearing these training stories. Ken was never good from his back. The Shamrock that fought Ortiz was not the same though.
In the first fight with tito.. I heard ken was a bit preoccupied the night before with his wife and a chick they both picke up lol. No joke. Phone Post 3.0
7/5/13 5:03 AM
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BTT-RyannVonDoom -
thomase - I've rolled with many many top guys on a consistent basis over the last 15 years. When I was training with Ken for his UFC 48 fight against Kimo (I think it was 48 iirc) he was by far the strongest person I'd ever trained with. That wasn't even a prime Ken either. He really was a beast back in the day!

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Lol of course I gotta come out of lurk mode for these threads my old school brethren! :)

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7/5/13 6:21 AM
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I think we would all agree now that Ken is a spent force and clearly a little scared to fight anyone good.
7/5/13 6:44 AM
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ShamusO'nyou - 
BTT-RyannVonDoom - One of our posters confirmed this in a thread here. He's been known to trane with the lions den guys. That threads old as fuck.. I'll try and bump it.

And lol @ ken breaking in big fights. Jesus christ. Phone Post 3.0

I think thats fair in regards to not living up to his potential.

Doesn't mean he was not a legend or successful, but I dont think he ever really showed the dominance he apparently did in training.

For example, the second Royce fight. In reality Ken should have killed him. If he had been training MMA with Royce and didn't know who he was I am sure he would have ragdolled him. But the pressure and mystique got the better of him when it was the real deal and he fought a boring extremely cautious fight. Understandable at the time, but he was capable of much more.

Based on their real fights I doubt anyone would expect Ken to dominate Coleman at will. Yet apparently thats exactly what he did in training.


The only reason Ken did not win the second fight was because there were no judges for that fight. He clearly would have won a Unanimous Decision that night.

He was a King of Pancrase, and Bas Rutten never beat him. He easily tapped out Severn in their first fight, and he beat the living hell out of Taktarov in another fight that clearly would have been a Unanimous Decision for him, had there been judges.

I'll grant you that you do have a point with Coleman, but to say that Shamrock NEVER lived up to his potential is a complete denial of the facts.
7/5/13 9:32 AM
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DanTheWolfman - Big Tom......................................Hi
Dan the wolfman!....how's it going? I'm in Bel Air bodyguarding right now. Are you still out here in L.A?

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7/5/13 9:35 AM
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JulianTMA - I think we would all agree now that Ken is a spent force and clearly a little scared to fight anyone good.
Considering he has nothing left to prove? I dont care if he fights again, or if he does, i'll still be a fan and thankful of what he's done. Phone Post 3.0
7/5/13 9:42 AM
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I heard of similar stories about Marco Ruas.
7/5/13 11:48 AM
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HEMAN - I heard of similar stories about Marco Ruas.

What, that Ken knocked him out ?
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TTT

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cheesesteak - Back in the day Ken used to rough everyone up in training. It's during a real match is where he mentally crumbled.

Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? When Ken was in his prime, he was an animal! He didn’t mentally break. He did get old and past his prime, and decided to keep fighting. Ken was very mentally tough as nails. That was never a problem for him. You need a history lesson, son!

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kungfugrip - Ko the guy you are training for a big fight? Great training!

Old school MMA training was a lot different than it is today. It wasn’t as calculated and organized as it is now. Just like the sport evolves, so does it’s training. Training for a fight back in those days was pretty much trying to simulate the fight as much as possible without getting injured, but shit happens. It still happens today! Not remotely as often or intentionally, but accidents happen.

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Pain Headquarters - 
cheesesteak - Back in the day Ken used to rough everyone up in training. It's during a real match is where he mentally crumbled.

Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? When Ken was in his prime, he was an animal! He didn’t mentally break. He did get old and past his prime, and decided to keep fighting. Ken was very mentally tough as nails. That was never a problem for him. You need a history lesson, son!




LOL

I love it.



UGers like to contradict what pretty much anyone who has ever fought or trained with Ken says.


Hell... even Tito puts Ken on the Mt. Rushmore of MMA.



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Bumping this again for another thread.
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I heard this story years ago.

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I remember hearing Ken got the better of many great fighters in the training room including Coleman.  

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Ken had A truly unique mix of extreme strength/explosion potential (which he maximized with pharmaceuticals but 99% of people could take all the juice they want they wouldn’t turn into a Ken Shamrock). And if you look at his entire body of work as a pro wrestler/grappler. He had some all-time great technical bouts in the attitude area, had extremly solid stand up wrestling fundamentals that he could go toe to toe with guys with elite credentials he had no business being shot to hang with let alone get the better of (similar to gsp) and his catch game transitions and sub game I think 1994 Ken would be a top 5 hwt at least with 9 months of modern mma training camp adustments to strategy/rules. Even at 205 prime Ken before he wrecked his body in wwe would beat the sh*t out of guys like Anthony smith no offense.

 

****. It seems like he’s the Scotty Pippen to Jordan but Guy Metzger was almost equally as well rounded athlete way ahead of the time...

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I used to coach at his gym in Scottsdale
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RUSRedDevil - 


I used to coach at his gym in Scottsdale


Was that the Lions den before he sold it?

Wasn't Dewees an assistant coach there too?
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Ken has a massive ego and I would not put much stock into what he say's. smh!
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KaiTangata - Ken has a massive ego and I would not put much stock into what he say's. smh!



A lot of fighters have massive egos.


This thread hasn't been about what Ken said... but what others said.
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Ashe Bowman - ALOT of current UFC and MMA stars like Roy Nelson,Ricco Rodriguez,Anthony Johnson,John Gunderson,Pat Healy,and Evan Dunham all trained with us @ Susanville/Reno and I'm sure they would all agree that even then the "old man" still hadn't lost it all. Ken had all of us try and take him down during training one day while he in the middle... Not one of us took him down. But as we all know age catches up with us. Is it fair to say that he is "The World's Most Dangerous OLD Man"?

Just to be clear...are you saying Roy Nelson, Ricco Rodriguez, & Anthony Rumble Johnson couldn't take Ken down ?



Also...how old was Ken @ the time ?