UnderGround Forums Khabib hasn't fought an elite grappler - beatable

4/18/19 11:39 AM
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forumnewb - I concur.

I will bet $100 that Brian Ortega will beat Khabib.

Make it happen BLAF.

I don't think that's a crazy bet. He's better on the feet and crazy dangerous off his back. Only has to catch 1 sub and he 5 rounds. I don't hate his chances 

4/18/19 12:16 PM
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Kabob beats the crap out of tortilla.
4/18/19 12:45 PM
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RDA

https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/rafael-dos-anjos-wiki

4/18/19 1:33 PM
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He hasn't fought an elite grappler, but he has fought plenty of good ones. JUCO wrestlers, BJJ black belts, etc.

GSP silenced all doubters of his wrestling after beating Koscheck. And, over the course of his career, he beat every type of fighter.

Khabib hasn't had time yet. I hope he gets to fight a Frankie Edgar, Ben Askren, GSP, or T-City. It would be a chance for him to prove his greatness.
4/18/19 1:35 PM
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Yea pretty much anybody who knows the sport, history of dominate fighters and styles know this. Khabib hasn't fought any real dominate wrestler/grappler

 

RDA is a good wrestler but doesn't rely on wrestling to win his fights anyway. RDA strikes then shoots takedowns, against top wrestlers he loses (losing to Khabib, Colby, Usman)

Iaquinta is a great wrestler yet look how he was making Khabib embarrass himself by stuffing his takedowns after the 3rd round. Khabib wasn't just showing off his striking, no he really couldn't get Al down and had to strike with him. Even then he had no power to really hurt Al.

 

Khabib list wins of wins consist of strikers with no real TD defense, Barboza? Conor? Seriously 

 

Khabib is an incredible fighter for sure and I do think he beats Dustin anyway. Dustin does great because his opponents stand with him (Pettis, Gaethje, Eddie, Max) Khabib on the other had will be shooting takedowns from the start. Dustin needs to train TD defense all training camp to really stand a chance. 

 

Back on Khabib, even Kevin Lee stands a real shot at beating him, so does Al in a rematch. Especially if Khabib moves up to WW as he says he will eventually, Usman, Colby, Woodley, Askren, even Masvidal or Maia have solid chances at beating him

4/18/19 1:40 PM
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Gregor Gillespie would be an INTERESTING matchup! 

4/18/19 1:45 PM
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KnockoutThoughts - 

Gregor Gillespie would be an INTERESTING matchup! 


GG and Gathje are the most interesting fights ATM this side of Tony Ferguson, GSP, and Askren.
4/18/19 2:07 PM
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SexiestManAlive -

Yea pretty much anybody who knows the sport, history of dominate fighters and styles know this. Khabib hasn't fought any real dominate wrestler/grappler

 

RDA is a good wrestler but doesn't rely on wrestling to win his fights anyway. RDA strikes then shoots takedowns, against top wrestlers he loses (losing to Khabib, Colby, Usman)

Iaquinta is a great wrestler yet look how he was making Khabib embarrass himself by stuffing his takedowns after the 3rd round. Khabib wasn't just showing off his striking, no he really couldn't get Al down and had to strike with him. Even then he had no power to really hurt Al.

 

Khabib list wins of wins consist of strikers with no real TD defense, Barboza? Conor? Seriously 

 

Khabib is an incredible fighter for sure and I do think he beats Dustin anyway. Dustin does great because his opponents stand with him (Pettis, Gaethje, Eddie, Max) Khabib on the other had will be shooting takedowns from the start. Dustin needs to train TD defense all training camp to really stand a chance. 

 

Back on Khabib, even Kevin Lee stands a real shot at beating him, so does Al in a rematch. Especially if Khabib moves up to WW as he says he will eventually, Usman, Colby, Woodley, Askren, even Masvidal or Maia have solid chances at beating him

Dominant. The word you are thinking of is “dominant.” That’s an adjective.

”Dominate” is a verb. Do you understand the difference?

4/18/19 2:11 PM
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Picochu -

I cant wait for Dustin to end this fuckwads hype train and see all you nut suckers hop off the bandwagon 5 minutes after the fight.

What’s your new username going to be after Khabib subs him?

4/18/19 3:09 PM
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FatBuddha -
Piratenbum - 

FWIW Khabib and his crew went to Renzo Gracie NY. Khabib didnt roll but his team did.

Danahers guys beat them soundly.

Khabib cant be that much better than his team I imagine.


Do you know why Khabib didn't roll?

i dont

4/18/19 3:13 PM
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RepsOne -
Piratenbum -

FWIW Khabib and his crew went to Renzo Gracie NY. Khabib didnt roll but his team did.

Danahers guys beat them soundly.

Khabib cant be that much better than his team I imagine.

That equates to nothing in mma. If heel hooks and butt scooting are so effective against wrestling/striking than why are all the men’s belts held by wrestlers or strikers? Less than half of them don’t even have a black belt.

Well, danahers guys are just getting into MMA so we will see at some point. Tonon is having success and his last fight showed some real dominance on the ground.

Hes only been trianing MMA for a year or so.

Itll be interesting to see if Danahers take on MMA makes a difference. Knowing the little I do about danaher and dds I think there system might change the game a bit.

 

4/18/19 3:42 PM
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Rickmassmma - The UG sucks lately. No matter who the fighter is, there's a thread talking about "but who did they really beat though???"

But WHO did they really beat though !?

4/18/19 6:40 PM
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Blunderhooks -

Makes me think of when Koschek, Fitch, Nick Diaz and BJ Penn fought GSP. Theoretically they were also supposed to either stuff the takedowns or neutralise GSP on the ground. It didn’t work as GSP’s MMA wrestling and MMA top game were better than their pure wrestling or pure BJJ. I suspect the same will be the case when Khabib faces elite wrestlers and grapplers.

 

 

4/18/19 6:41 PM
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Blunderhooks -

Makes me think of when Koschek, Fitch, Nick Diaz and BJ Penn fought GSP. Theoretically they were also supposed to either stuff the takedowns or neutralise GSP on the ground. It didn’t work as GSP’s MMA wrestling and MMA top game were better than their pure wrestling or pure BJJ. I suspect the same will be the case when Khabib faces elite wrestlers and grapplers.

 

Uhh this is dumb.  GSP won half those fights because he was a much better striker, more athletic and larger.  Not because of wrestling/top game.

4/18/19 6:50 PM
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Darth Potato - 
Blunderhooks -

Makes me think of when Koschek, Fitch, Nick Diaz and BJ Penn fought GSP. Theoretically they were also supposed to either stuff the takedowns or neutralise GSP on the ground. It didn’t work as GSP’s MMA wrestling and MMA top game were better than their pure wrestling or pure BJJ. I suspect the same will be the case when Khabib faces elite wrestlers and grapplers.

 

Uhh this is dumb.  GSP won half those fights because he was a much better striker, more athletic and larger.  Not because of wrestling/top game.


GSP dominated Diaz and BJ on top (despite their celebrated BJJ).

He outwrestled Kos in the first fight and didn't allow Fitch to wrestle him at all.
4/19/19 12:14 AM
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SmerkABewl -

Raging al is a solid wrestler, not great. Gillespie, GSP, Gaethje, and Ferg are all very interesting matchups and could make Khabib look like the Khabib against tibeu

Ferguson is the only well rounded fighter I can see beating Khabib. Just because he’s extremely good at all 3 aspects. And he won’t be broken. Fuck I want to see that fight. 

4/19/19 12:46 AM
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Piratenbum - 

FWIW Khabib and his crew went to Renzo Gracie NY. Khabib didnt roll but his team did.

Danahers guys beat them soundly.

Khabib cant be that much better than his team I imagine.


Pretty meaningless. Somehow I doubt they were training MMA, it was probably no-gi sport grappling without a cage, and that is what John Danaher's guys specialize in.

Strikes and the cage really do change everything.

4/19/19 12:51 AM
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Piratenbum - 
RepsOne -
Piratenbum -

FWIW Khabib and his crew went to Renzo Gracie NY. Khabib didnt roll but his team did.

Danahers guys beat them soundly.

Khabib cant be that much better than his team I imagine.

That equates to nothing in mma. If heel hooks and butt scooting are so effective against wrestling/striking than why are all the men’s belts held by wrestlers or strikers? Less than half of them don’t even have a black belt.

Well, danahers guys are just getting into MMA so we will see at some point. Tonon is having success and his last fight showed some real dominance on the ground.

Hes only been trianing MMA for a year or so.

Itll be interesting to see if Danahers take on MMA makes a difference. Knowing the little I do about danaher and dds I think there system might change the game a bit.

 


I think it is the opposite: The game will force Danaher to change his system.

Gary has very obviously been working on his striking for years, which has nothing to do with Danaher.

Without that striking work, the Danaher team will have to focus much more on takedowns and prioritizing top position.

I have seen Gordon Ryan give up mount in grappling competition to attack the legs. No way can you do that in high level MMA.
4/19/19 1:28 AM
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Otlwgt - 
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Pico in 2-3 years kills Khabib


His chin has been exposed as being made of glass by lower level guys.. I doubt he makes it to the UFC much less the championship level..

He has no defense, low fight IQ, glass chin..

I gotta agree. Aaron Pico's hype train is way derailed. Two crushing defeats by nothing-special fighters in his first one and a half years of MMA. Does not bode well for someone who is supposed to be a future star.

If he ever makes it to the UFC, can't see he being more than a journeyman or a flash in the pan.
4/19/19 9:37 AM
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This whole thread seems to miss the point of how Khabib became the most Elite grappler in the light weight division. You think he just watched a video?

4/19/19 9:55 AM
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Gustafsson is hardly a grappling specialist and took down two of the best mma grapplers in the history of the sport. 

When you mix in strikes you will get opportunities. When you have a frightening top control like Khabib does as well as ever improving striking it makes fighters unsettled. His mixed game allowed him to move unconditionally forward against most fighters including Iaquinta, Conor and Barboza. 

Ortega will be too restricted and get beaten the hell out of on the ground. Ferguson can be taken down and likely won't get up. He also gets hit often and can be rocked into a compromised ground position. 

Khabib at 155 is likely favourite against anyone. If he moved up against the likes of Woodley or Usman I can see him struggle though. 

4/19/19 10:10 AM
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Picochu -

I cant wait for Dustin to end this fuckwads hype train and see all you nut suckers hop off the bandwagon 5 minutes after the fight.

Haha.. Agreed. I can’t stand Khabib and his goons.

4/19/19 1:18 PM
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Throwin’Knuckles - 
Picochu -

I cant wait for Dustin to end this fuckwads hype train and see all you nut suckers hop off the bandwagon 5 minutes after the fight.

Haha.. Agreed. I can’t stand Khabib and his goons.


I hope Dustin wins, but he doesn't have the skills to stop a wet blanket.

Brian Ortega is the hero we need.
4/19/19 2:38 PM
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TequilaYuen -
SexiestManAlive -

Yea pretty much anybody who knows the sport, history of dominate fighters and styles know this. Khabib hasn't fought any real dominate wrestler/grappler

 

RDA is a good wrestler but doesn't rely on wrestling to win his fights anyway. RDA strikes then shoots takedowns, against top wrestlers he loses (losing to Khabib, Colby, Usman)

Iaquinta is a great wrestler yet look how he was making Khabib embarrass himself by stuffing his takedowns after the 3rd round. Khabib wasn't just showing off his striking, no he really couldn't get Al down and had to strike with him. Even then he had no power to really hurt Al.

 

Khabib list wins of wins consist of strikers with no real TD defense, Barboza? Conor? Seriously 

 

Khabib is an incredible fighter for sure and I do think he beats Dustin anyway. Dustin does great because his opponents stand with him (Pettis, Gaethje, Eddie, Max) Khabib on the other had will be shooting takedowns from the start. Dustin needs to train TD defense all training camp to really stand a chance. 

 

Back on Khabib, even Kevin Lee stands a real shot at beating him, so does Al in a rematch. Especially if Khabib moves up to WW as he says he will eventually, Usman, Colby, Woodley, Askren, even Masvidal or Maia have solid chances at beating him

Dominant. The word you are thinking of is “dominant.” That’s an adjective.

”Dominate” is a verb. Do you understand the difference?

Of course I do the damn auto correct 

 

I found more mistakes in there if you want to keep looking 

4/19/19 2:44 PM
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Throwin’Knuckles -
Picochu -

I cant wait for Dustin to end this fuckwads hype train and see all you nut suckers hop off the bandwagon 5 minutes after the fight.

Haha.. Agreed. I can’t stand Khabib and his goons.

Ain't happening, doesn't mean I don't want it to happen

 

Khabib ain't standing with Dustin like everyone else. Khabib will be shooting takedowns asap when the bell starts. Dustin needs to train wrestling every single day from stuffing takedowns to getting back up on his feet. 

 

Khabib does gas out around the 3rd round

 

It's Dustin's responsibility to keep it standing, not Khabib striking with him