UnderGround Forums ONE overturn Petchmorokat vs Petrosyan

26 days ago
9/19/05
Posts: 6972
I didnt watch the fight, so I cant comment on the particulars of it, but idk how people are defending it regardless of what happened in the fight. The promotion shouldnt have the power to overturn outcomes of fights or declare them no contests, that should be left up to dedicated governing bodies. (unless I read this all wrong, it seems One did this interally)

Imagine if the UFC had this ability. Their big champion loses a close decision and they come back and declare the bout a NC, pull the title and schedule a rematch. The MMA world would lose its fucking mind!

Again, I didnt see the fight, Im not commenting on the fight. Im just saying, in general, a promotion shouldnt have this power. It opens the door to serious corruption and is a clear conflict of interest.
25 days ago
10/24/03
Posts: 7994

It's fucked up to overturn a fight because you didn't agree with the judges.. 

25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9501
Too Rude - I didnt watch the fight, so I cant comment on the particulars of it, but idk how people are defending it regardless of what happened in the fight. The promotion shouldnt have the power to overturn outcomes of fights or declare them no contests, that should be left up to dedicated governing bodies. (unless I read this all wrong, it seems One did this interally)

Imagine if the UFC had this ability. Their big champion loses a close decision and they come back and declare the bout a NC, pull the title and schedule a rematch. The MMA world would lose its fucking mind!

Again, I didnt see the fight, Im not commenting on the fight. Im just saying, in general, a promotion shouldnt have this power. It opens the door to serious corruption and is a clear conflict of interest.

Exactly mate. Watch the fight, it’s a hard fought close fight. Unbelievable what they’ve done. 

25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9502
ThatsHowIRoll -
The Maestro -

Can someone provide cliffs?

ONE FC kickboxing tourney with 1 million dollar prize for winner reaches quarter final. 

All favourites lose their bouts inc. arguably worlds best kickboxer Giorgio. 

There was some public outcry and opinion that he was robbed and won the fight. 

One FC reviewed the dubious judging and refereeing and overturned multiple decisions scheduling rematches including Giorgio’s match up. 

Socialist anti establishment UG hipster faggots target One FC as money hungry cunts rather than looking at it objectively because they felt like they already bitched about the UFC and Dana enough today. 

What a weird thing to post. How old are you? 

Targeting ONE? What on earth are you talking about. 

25 days ago
6/11/06
Posts: 4016
I have probably been the biggest advocate for ONE on this forum but the call to rule that fight a no contest is bad one, it was an incredibly close fight and does everyone involved a great disservice.
25 days ago
3/12/02
Posts: 6836
Too Rude - I didnt watch the fight, so I cant comment on the particulars of it, but idk how people are defending it regardless of what happened in the fight. The promotion shouldnt have the power to overturn outcomes of fights or declare them no contests, that should be left up to dedicated governing bodies. (unless I read this all wrong, it seems One did this interally)

Imagine if the UFC had this ability. Their big champion loses a close decision and they come back and declare the bout a NC, pull the title and schedule a rematch. The MMA world would lose its fucking mind!

Again, I didnt see the fight, Im not commenting on the fight. Im just saying, in general, a promotion shouldnt have this power. It opens the door to serious corruption and is a clear conflict of interest.

Insightful post, what is this One governing body you are referring to?

25 days ago
7/11/05
Posts: 4407
stringtheory -

 

To a no contest. 

Just when ONE were doing all the right things. Absolutely disgusting they think that can do this just because their biggest star was beaten. All petchys hard work down the drain. Imagine in football or basketball or even boxing the referees overturning then decision a week later because their big star lost. 

Chatri soews so much righteous bullshit to inflate his own ego it’s disgusting.

To too it off he does shit like this & it isn’t the 1st or last time he will.

losing Yod & Petro in the same night killed them & they found a loophole.

If anyone is in Asia like I am you bear tons of ONE horror stories. At least Dana is the devil & doesn’t act otherwise

25 days ago
8/15/07
Posts: 15515
This is awesome. More decisions should be overturned in cases of obvious poor judging or refereeing. Hope it catches on with more promotions. The idea that a judges' decision should be final regardless of the quality of said judging is asinine. GGG vs Canelo 1 is a prime example of judging that should have been corrected.
25 days ago
5/14/08
Posts: 9969
Soul Gravy - This is awesome. More decisions should be overturned in cases of obvious poor judging or refereeing. Hope it catches on with more promotions. The idea that a judges' decision should be final regardless of the quality of said judging is asinine. GGG vs Canelo 1 is a prime example of judging that should have been corrected.

But this wasnt an obvious case of bad judging or refereeing. Some think Pethmorakot won some think Petrosyan won. I personally think Pethmorakot did enough to win a decision. Also, although this is an appeal to authority most pro MT/kickboxing fighters disagree with overturning the decision. If youre going to overturn a decision by the judges that you think is wrong, why even have judges in the first place? At this point they are now insinuating that in a close fight you should choose the fighter that they want to win. 

ONE FC's own article after the fight even comes off like they agree with the decision.

https://www.onefc.com/articles/petchmorakot-shocks-the-world-with-defeat-of-giorgio-petrosyan/

"Undeterred, The Thai continued to stab with his thrusting knees to the body. Petrosyan evaded many of them by stepping his hips back, but Petchmorakot succeeded in disrupting his rhythm, as “The Doctor” failed to take command of the bout like he has done so many times before. "

25 days ago
5/14/08
Posts: 9970

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25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9503
Soul Gravy - This is awesome. More decisions should be overturned in cases of obvious poor judging or refereeing. Hope it catches on with more promotions. The idea that a judges' decision should be final regardless of the quality of said judging is asinine. GGG vs Canelo 1 is a prime example of judging that should have been corrected.

Posts like this baffle me. How under any circumstances could you think this is a good thing, there are judges for a reason. This is absolutely terrible for the legitimacy of the sport. It doesn’t matter how close a fight is, there are 3 judges, if it goes to a decision they decide who is the winner. 

25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9504
Dominique Robinson -
stringtheory -

 

To a no contest. 

Just when ONE were doing all the right things. Absolutely disgusting they think that can do this just because their biggest star was beaten. All petchys hard work down the drain. Imagine in football or basketball or even boxing the referees overturning then decision a week later because their big star lost. 

Chatri soews so much righteous bullshit to inflate his own ego it’s disgusting.

To too it off he does shit like this & it isn’t the 1st or last time he will.

losing Yod & Petro in the same night killed them & they found a loophole.

If anyone is in Asia like I am you bear tons of ONE horror stories. At least Dana is the devil & doesn’t act otherwise

Interesting, this is the first shady thing I’ve seen them do, in a big ONE fan as well so that’s bad to hear. Thanks for the insight mate 

25 days ago
5/24/17
Posts: 2074

Maybe there was some back alley gambling involved and some certain Asian mafiaso didn't want to pay. 

25 days ago
1/23/06
Posts: 100309
Petrosyan was sharp early and faded. Didn't think he lost, but it was 3-2 either way. Close fight. Can't agree with the Thai team's decision to not fight again when a potential million dollars is on the line. Seems overly prideful.
25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9505
CRE - Petrosyan was sharp early and faded. Didn't think he lost, but it was 3-2 either way. Close fight. Can't agree with the Thai team's decision to not fight again when a potential million dollars is on the line. Seems overly prideful.

Read the statement they put out, I completely agree with the decision. How can he feel he has any chance to win the fight now if it goes to decision. What if he wins a close fight again will they overturn it once more. It was 100% the right thing to do in my opinion. ONE have shown their true colours and it’s a slap in the face to Petchmorokat. It was never about the money for him it was about pride, he stepped into Petrosyans world against the best in the game and did the unthinkable, only for it to be taken away from him. He has offered to fight Petrosyan outside of ONE in a rematch, perfect thing to do. 

25 days ago
1/23/06
Posts: 100314
stringtheory - 
CRE - Petrosyan was sharp early and faded. Didn't think he lost, but it was 3-2 either way. Close fight. Can't agree with the Thai team's decision to not fight again when a potential million dollars is on the line. Seems overly prideful.

Read the statement they put out, I completely agree with the decision. How can he feel he has any chance to win the fight now if it goes to decision. What if he wins a close fight again will they overturn it once more. It was 100% the right thing to do in my opinion. ONE have shown their true colours and it’s a slap in the face to Petchmorokat. It was never about the money for him it was about pride, he stepped into Petrosyans world against the best in the game and did the unthinkable, only for it to be taken away from him. He has offered to fight Petrosyan outside of ONE in a rematch, perfect thing to do. 


Should use this as motivation to win even more clearly. Wasted opportunity. Not smart business.
Edited: 25 days ago
1/23/06
Posts: 100315
You don't want a manager that thinks with pride and emotions. That's exactly what Petchmorokat's team is doing. This type of money doesn't exist in thai boxing. He could probably get a pay bump for the rematch too. I'm sure they're Buddhist and don't care about the money as much though.
25 days ago
10/24/14
Posts: 9506
CRE -
stringtheory - 
CRE - Petrosyan was sharp early and faded. Didn't think he lost, but it was 3-2 either way. Close fight. Can't agree with the Thai team's decision to not fight again when a potential million dollars is on the line. Seems overly prideful.

Read the statement they put out, I completely agree with the decision. How can he feel he has any chance to win the fight now if it goes to decision. What if he wins a close fight again will they overturn it once more. It was 100% the right thing to do in my opinion. ONE have shown their true colours and it’s a slap in the face to Petchmorokat. It was never about the money for him it was about pride, he stepped into Petrosyans world against the best in the game and did the unthinkable, only for it to be taken away from him. He has offered to fight Petrosyan outside of ONE in a rematch, perfect thing to do. 


Should use this as motivation to win even more clearly. Wasted opportunity. Not smart business.

He won once and they took it away from him, what aren’t you understanding about this? Why would he put his trust in them again? How can he have any faith in winning a decision again, he knows how good Petrosyan is and how much of a task it is to beat him. Fuck ONE they don’t deserve to have him, he’s done the right thing he doesn’t need them. What they’ve done is disgusting I’m not surprised he wants no part of their organisation again. 

25 days ago
7/22/11
Posts: 613

Rewatched the fight and I agree with This decision. 1 round is easily won bye petrosian. Round 2 Petch is clinching way way to much. I would go as far as to say a point should have been deducted in that round from petch - referee warned him several several times but he just continued to clinch and making more then 1 techniqe and also not releasing the clinch. Kickboxing it would be a clear win for georgio . Suprised how they judged it tbh. I would go so far as to say MT rules petrosian won too because of the sweep in last round ... kickboxing easy win for Petrosian so right to make it a no contest. MT rules it was a close close fight with petch getting the better in the clinch in rounds 2 and 3. Both rulesets clearly in favour of petrosian first round . Round 2 maybe petch for clinch game in MT rules. Round 3 either petch for strong clinch or petrosian for the sweep MT rules that is... kickboxing rules petrosian should have been Winner cause of excessive clinching bye his opponent

25 days ago
10/4/02
Posts: 5887
Messy fight, not much clean landed, but Petch did manage to push it in r2,3. Giorgio failed to bring it under control. Fair decision.

Shit move to overturn the result. I could see if there was some clear foul, but there wasn't. Petch obeyed the ref just fine. They could have re-matched at a later time.
23 days ago
8/21/06
Posts: 12611
Doesn't matter if you agree with decision or not. Promotion should not have ability to overturn results on its own cognizance. Especially where the move benefits them by having an L removed from their big-name signing.

Bad look.
23 days ago
8/21/06
Posts: 12612
The correct approach is ONE taking exception to the referee, a la Dana going nuts about Mazaggatti after shit refereeing etc. Doing it this way looks corrupt.
23 days ago
10/24/03
Posts: 8004
CRE - You don't want a manager that thinks with pride and emotions. That's exactly what Petchmorokat's team is doing. This type of money doesn't exist in thai boxing. He could probably get a pay bump for the rematch too. I'm sure they're Buddhist and don't care about the money as much though.

I see it as a camp/management doing what's right and having the backs of his fighters over money and fame. Way to go Petchyindee! 

23 days ago
10/11/18
Posts: 797
OUTCOLD - I have probably been the biggest advocate for ONE on this forum but the call to rule that fight a no contest is bad one, it was an incredibly close fight and does everyone involved a great disservice.

Should have just ordered a rematch. No need to punish Petchmorokat.
Edited: 23 days ago
5/12/08
Posts: 1418

The 3 second clinch rule leaves a lot to be desired. 

 

Supposedley fighters are suppose to clinch ,strike and release ,without the ref getting involved but would you really release a clinch (all the time ),knowing full well that your opponent just might hit you on the break ?

 

expecting fighters to disengage themselves completely in all situations is not realistic and actually could be dangerous for some fighters. 

 

 

The 3 second rule should have (imo) a referee that gets active in seperateing them after 3 seconds ,not just thinking that they will simply release themselves after every clinch 

 

I know that I personally wouldn’t want release a clinch if I was not 100 percent certain my opponent wasn’t going to hit on the break 

 

the 3 second rule should have a refs intervention because expecting fighters to release in all situations ,just doesn’t seem rational and safe