UnderGround Forums Prime Saku vs prime Nick Diaz

5/14/19 3:57 PM
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Title says it all, prime Saku vs prime Nick Diaz. Same ruleset as Sakus first fight with Royce. Who’s taking it? For shits and gigs same question but subbing Nate for Nick. 

5/14/19 3:58 PM
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Saku kills them both at the same time. 

5/14/19 4:00 PM
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Saku kills them both at the same time. 

Saku is my all time favorite, but I don’t think either are inherently squashes. I think Nick with no weight cut is probably walking around 190, Nate around 180. So Saku has a small weight advantage against both. But both have solid boxing, good chins, are tough as shit, cardio for days, and solid offensive and defensive jiu jitsu. 

5/14/19 4:07 PM
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Diaz by pace 

5/14/19 4:40 PM
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As much as I don't want to say it,  probably Diaz, as Diaz was a more evolved fighter in his prime with boxing being the main difference. 

5/14/19 6:54 PM
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Prime Saku outgrapples him with the size advantage 

5/14/19 7:15 PM
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The Diet Butcher - 

Prime Saku outgrapples him with the size advantage 


Saku wouldn't be bigger. Walked around at 182 in his prime.

But I think Saku gets the takedown and wins a decision.
5/14/19 7:58 PM
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sanguine cynic - 
The Diet Butcher - 

Prime Saku outgrapples him with the size advantage 


Saku wouldn't be bigger. Walked around at 182 in his prime.

But I think Saku gets the takedown and wins a decision.

Yeah, it's not a very difficult fight to predict.

Nick can't stop Saku's TD and he isn't winning from bottom.
5/14/19 8:35 PM
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Laughable. Sak all day!
5/14/19 9:17 PM
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sanguine cynic -
The Diet Butcher - 

Prime Saku outgrapples him with the size advantage 


Saku wouldn't be bigger. Walked around at 182 in his prime.

But I think Saku gets the takedown and wins a decision.

To be fair I stated in the OP that ruleset would be that of Saku/Royce 1. Endless 15 minute rounds until the event of a knockout, corner stoppage, or submission. If that changes stance or adds some layers to it. 

5/14/19 9:27 PM
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Look at the monsters Sak fought in pride! He did lose some of the fights but he put up a better fight that Diaz would have
5/14/19 9:37 PM
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Rules and Ring favor Sak.

Those thinking Diaz' boxing would be the difference might forget Sak went toe-to-toe on purpose with prime Wanderlei.

So the toughness is there.

Diaz could pick opponents apart with accumulative boxing and the threat of submissions on the ground.

Yet Sak is one of the greatest ring-generals of all time.

It's not a boxing match.

It's not a BJJ match.

It's an NHB (fewer rules, long time limit) fight in a ring, where the rules actually favor the very human endeavor of imposing one's will.

Sak has the ability -- IMO -- to control distance and felling (for the most part), while looking good and being effective doing so.

If it's pure boxing at medium range, Diaz has the edge.

If it's a battle of positional grappling and transition, Sak has the edge.

If it's pure submissions on the ground,its almost too close to call.

If its intangibles, Sak has the edge.

Toughness is a wash.

Diaz has the cardio edge.. though with prime Sak it wasn't an issue.



Advantage = Sakuraba.


In a Pride ring with long time limits against equal or smaller sized opponents -- especially opponents lacking one-strike KO power -- Prime Sak is tough to beat.


That said, it's a great fight.

Diaz' and overall movement would make it interesting, to say the least.
5/14/19 9:51 PM
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Rules and Ring favor Sak.

Those thinking Diaz' boxing would be the difference might forget Sak went toe-to-toe on purpose with prime Wanderlei.

So the toughness is there.

Diaz could pick opponents apart with accumulative boxing and the threat of submissions on the ground.

Yet Sak is one of the greatest ring-generals of all time.

It's not a boxing match.

It's not a BJJ match.

It's an NHB (fewer rules, long time limit) fight in a ring, where the rules actually favor the very human endeavor of imposing one's will.

Sak has the ability -- IMO -- to control distance and felling (for the most part), while looking good and being effective doing so.

If it's pure boxing at medium range, Diaz has the edge.

If it's a battle of positional grappling and transition, Sak has the edge.

If it's pure submissions on the ground,its almost too close to call.

If its intangibles, Sak has the edge.

Toughness is a wash.

Diaz has the cardio edge.. though with prime Sak it wasn't an issue.



Advantage = Sakuraba.


In a Pride ring with long time limits against equal or smaller sized opponents -- especially opponents lacking one-strike KO power -- Prime Sak is tough to beat.


That said, it's a great fight.

Diaz' and overall movement would make it interesting, to say the least.

Now that’s a solid breakdown! Thanks for contributing that man! 

5/14/19 10:11 PM
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Best single leg in the game for a while. I think Nick could outlast him though, but based on what we’ve seen, Saku would have the overall advantage.

5/14/19 10:30 PM
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Another Japan vs Stockton matchup. Who’s taking it same rule set as OP but prime Minowaman vs prime Nate Diaz. 

5/14/19 10:53 PM
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I'm curious why people give Nick the cardio edge or suggest that he would outlast Sak.
5/14/19 11:59 PM
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wiggum - I'm curious why people give Nick the cardio edge or suggest that he would outlast Sak.


It's a moot point.

Academic at best.

Nick is a triathlete, Sak smoked cigarettes.

:)


As I said in my first post, it wouldn't have mattered:)
5/15/19 12:01 AM
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onepunchJD -
Rules and Ring favor Sak.

Those thinking Diaz' boxing would be the difference might forget Sak went toe-to-toe on purpose with prime Wanderlei.

So the toughness is there.

Diaz could pick opponents apart with accumulative boxing and the threat of submissions on the ground.

Yet Sak is one of the greatest ring-generals of all time.

It's not a boxing match.

It's not a BJJ match.

It's an NHB (fewer rules, long time limit) fight in a ring, where the rules actually favor the very human endeavor of imposing one's will.

Sak has the ability -- IMO -- to control distance and felling (for the most part), while looking good and being effective doing so.

If it's pure boxing at medium range, Diaz has the edge.

If it's a battle of positional grappling and transition, Sak has the edge.

If it's pure submissions on the ground,its almost too close to call.

If its intangibles, Sak has the edge.

Toughness is a wash.

Diaz has the cardio edge.. though with prime Sak it wasn't an issue.



Advantage = Sakuraba.


In a Pride ring with long time limits against equal or smaller sized opponents -- especially opponents lacking one-strike KO power -- Prime Sak is tough to beat.


That said, it's a great fight.

Diaz' and overall movement would make it interesting, to say the least.

Now that’s a solid breakdown! Thanks for contributing that man! 



Thanks.



I tend to think Sak is underrated/overlooked by "newer" fans.
5/15/19 12:43 PM
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onepunchJD -
Nicktheissue265 - 
onepunchJD -
Rules and Ring favor Sak.

Those thinking Diaz' boxing would be the difference might forget Sak went toe-to-toe on purpose with prime Wanderlei.

So the toughness is there.

Diaz could pick opponents apart with accumulative boxing and the threat of submissions on the ground.

Yet Sak is one of the greatest ring-generals of all time.

It's not a boxing match.

It's not a BJJ match.

It's an NHB (fewer rules, long time limit) fight in a ring, where the rules actually favor the very human endeavor of imposing one's will.

Sak has the ability -- IMO -- to control distance and felling (for the most part), while looking good and being effective doing so.

If it's pure boxing at medium range, Diaz has the edge.

If it's a battle of positional grappling and transition, Sak has the edge.

If it's pure submissions on the ground,its almost too close to call.

If its intangibles, Sak has the edge.

Toughness is a wash.

Diaz has the cardio edge.. though with prime Sak it wasn't an issue.



Advantage = Sakuraba.


In a Pride ring with long time limits against equal or smaller sized opponents -- especially opponents lacking one-strike KO power -- Prime Sak is tough to beat.


That said, it's a great fight.

Diaz' and overall movement would make it interesting, to say the least.

Now that’s a solid breakdown! Thanks for contributing that man! 



Thanks.



I tend to think Sak is underrated/overlooked by "newer" fans.

Same man. People don’t realize that not only did he not cut any weight and come in against heavyweights and guys cutting from 225+ to make 205. Those same bigger opponents he fought were also juiced to the gills. 

5/15/19 12:57 PM
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Sakuraba is one of my favorites but Nick Diaz would beat any version of him if there aren't rounds or decisions. 

 

Sakuraba would take him down and use leg kicks for a while but Nick would keep the pressure on with his boxing and eventually Sakuraba would get caught. 

5/15/19 1:21 PM
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Sakuraba is one of my favorites but Nick Diaz would beat any version of him if there aren't rounds or decisions. 

 

Sakuraba would take him down and use leg kicks for a while but Nick would keep the pressure on with his boxing and eventually Sakuraba would get caught. 

Diaz doesnt have the power for that. 

He could win a decision due to better striking, but he's not "catching" him.  

5/15/19 5:03 PM
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Vitor is a better boxer. Sak tooled him.

Renzo and Royce have better mma bjj. Sak beat them.

I don't see how Sak loses in his prime.
5/15/19 7:25 PM
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This would be a glorious marathon to watch. I got Sak after 75 minutes of fighting via ref stoppage from Nick/Nate unable to stand from leg kicks.
5/15/19 7:27 PM
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Nicktheissue265 - 

Title says it all, prime Saku vs prime Nick Diaz. Same ruleset as Sakus first fight with Royce. Who’s taking it? For shits and gigs same question but subbing Nate for Nick. 


Saku wins.

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