UnderGround Forums Prime Saku vs prime Nick Diaz

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11/20/09
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Rickmassmma - 
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As much as I don't want to say it,  probably Diaz, as Diaz was a more evolved fighter in his prime with boxing being the main difference. 


Except Diaz in his prime lost to Diego Sanchez, Joe Riggs, Sean Sherk, KJ Noons and Carlos Condit. Obviously some great fighters in there, but if you ask people on here if Joe Riggs was better than Diaz, or Diego was better than Diaz...this place would be filled with people talking about how much better Diaz was than those guys, completely ignoring that he lost to them.

I like watching him fight, but he looks like a god when he's blowing away guys he should blow away, but his record against tough opponents isn't great. This place has an unhealthy obsession with the guy, and were talking about him coming back and winning the welterweight title recently. It's nuts.

Diaz should have gotten the nod in three, if not four, of those fights. Shitty judging cost him.

OK, fine...call them all split decision wins for Nick. While he was "winning" razor thin decisions over Diego, Riggs, Sherk etc Sakuraba was beating guys like Renzo Gracie, Rampage Jackson, Randleman, Carlos Newton, Vitor Belfort etc...and was finishing those guys, not winning close decisions. 

If they actually fought it would have gone down like a lot of Nick's fights. He would have talked shit, lost, then acted like the guy was a bitch for not wanting to fight in the way that was most advantageous to Nick. 

 

Man you made some really good points and added some good perspective there with the names/results of Sak's fights that time period.  Rampage was always a lhw or hw and even in his early days Rampage was a force.  If you watch Rampage's first fight against Eastman when he lost, you'll notice Ken Shamrock commentating and stating how he could tell Rampage was going to do big things in mma.  And he was right.  There's another guy on Sakuraba's list(Ken).  As questionable as one might argue, Sak through a punch, it connected, and you can't fault Sak on that.

 

30 days ago
5/10/04
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Rickmassmma - 
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WaltJ - 

As much as I don't want to say it,  probably Diaz, as Diaz was a more evolved fighter in his prime with boxing being the main difference. 


Except Diaz in his prime lost to Diego Sanchez, Joe Riggs, Sean Sherk, KJ Noons and Carlos Condit. Obviously some great fighters in there, but if you ask people on here if Joe Riggs was better than Diaz, or Diego was better than Diaz...this place would be filled with people talking about how much better Diaz was than those guys, completely ignoring that he lost to them.

I like watching him fight, but he looks like a god when he's blowing away guys he should blow away, but his record against tough opponents isn't great. This place has an unhealthy obsession with the guy, and were talking about him coming back and winning the welterweight title recently. It's nuts.

Diaz should have gotten the nod in three, if not four, of those fights. Shitty judging cost him.

OK, fine...call them all split decision wins for Nick. While he was "winning" razor thin decisions over Diego, Riggs, Sherk etc Sakuraba was beating guys like Renzo Gracie, Rampage Jackson, Randleman, Carlos Newton, Vitor Belfort etc...and was finishing those guys, not winning close decisions. 

If they actually fought it would have gone down like a lot of Nick's fights. He would have talked shit, lost, then acted like the guy was a bitch for not wanting to fight in the way that was most advantageous to Nick. 

 

Man you made some really good points and added some good perspective there with the names/results of Sak's fights that time period.  Rampage was always a lhw or hw and even in his early days Rampage was a force.  If you watch Rampage's first fight against Eastman when he lost, you'll notice Ken Shamrock commentating and stating how he could tell Rampage was going to do big things in mma.  And he was right.  There's another guy on Sakuraba's list(Ken).  As questionable as one might argue, Sak through a punch, it connected, and you can't fault Sak on that.

 



Yeah that was a weird stoppage.

I had the feeling that any opportunity the ref was going to jump in and get Sak a win.

Ken had really deteriorated by that point too.
A little earlier, and that would have been a fun fight.
30 days ago
9/28/03
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Can Sak smoke between rounds?

30 days ago
1/1/01
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Sakuraba is one of my favorites but Nick Diaz would beat any version of him if there aren't rounds or decisions. 

 

Sakuraba would take him down and use leg kicks for a while but Nick would keep the pressure on with his boxing and eventually Sakuraba would get caught. 

Nick isn't catching him with anything meaningful. Saku was a sharp minded fighter. He fought Royce for over an hour and then survived 20 minutes against fucking Igor. Nick has never been good at defending leg kicks. Saku would have Nick gingerly plodding around the ring in no time at all.