UnderGround Forums Ready to Call It a UFC PPV COLLAPSE Yet?

Edited: 2/1/15 3:56 PM
2/28/07
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A lot of people whined on my other UFC PPV Model Collapse thread that it wasn't really a collapse. Here's a chart with 2014 fill out and some table data for you. Let me know if you think it's a collapse yet...

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12/19/14 4:47 PM
11/28/03
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more events, including free ones are the cause

theyd see higher buy rates per event if they did only 3 ppvs per year and nothing free

but i think theyre making more $ overall with the current method

 

 

12/19/14 4:51 PM
2/28/07
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ranier wolfcastle - 

more events, including free ones are the cause

theyd see higher buy rates per event if they did only 3 ppvs per year and nothing free

but i think theyre making more $ overall with the current method

 

 


From what I can gather (as gone into detail on other threads) they are not making more money. They are making either the same of less...

Why don't you post the pics...?
12/19/14 4:52 PM
2/28/07
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Kelvin Gastelum fan - They might be making more, but I'm sure they're spending more too

That is another BIG point. They are doing less business on PPV with MANY more PPVs and they are doing MANY other shows and a lot internationally which is a big expense. Decline in PPVs was sited by Moody's as the main reason for an earnings decrease of 40% y/y.
12/19/14 6:10 PM
2/28/07
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Ugh. this is so retarded that you need a blue name to post a pic on a forum for Christ's sake...
12/19/14 6:13 PM
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Haulport - Ugh. this is so retarded that you need a blue name to post a pic on a forum for Christ's sake...

At least the site is reliable.

Heh.

12/19/14 6:13 PM
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12/19/14 6:14 PM
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12/19/14 6:14 PM
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I got you OP.

12/19/14 6:29 PM
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I never whine about Port threads yet i did stay in a holiday in last night

12/19/14 6:35 PM
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Will be very interesting if this trend continues through the early part of 2015. Phone Post 3.0
Edited: 12/19/14 6:45 PM
8/17/08
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It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 

12/19/14 6:43 PM
12/17/10
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Stephen Holder - 

Will be interesting if next year isn't an improvement on the chart.


If all their top guys stay healthy and fight 3x a year, next year will be promising.

Also if Silva beats Diaz, they can have another UFC 100 type event with Silva vs. GSP as the headliner.
12/19/14 7:03 PM
5/28/07
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Dana insulting their biggest PPV draw certainly didn't help.

12/19/14 7:09 PM
6/20/11
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MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?
12/19/14 7:13 PM
8/17/08
Posts: 13449
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.

Edited: 12/19/14 7:27 PM
8/17/08
Posts: 13450
thatonedude - 
MMALOGIC - 
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.


could you fill me in I genuinely don't know, but Mexico counts towards the ppv buy rate when they give those numbers? I always thought that was just the US.

 

Zuffa has a 24 hour spanish language subscription network that launched in mexico and launching in every other spanish speaking country. it costs around 12.95 to 14.95/mo and you get everything (ppv's, fight nightts, tuf, etc...)

 

There is no ppv in mexico so they count in the ppv numers.  USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ppv countries.

PPV will likely go away and be replaced by sports rights fees within the next 5 years.

12/19/14 7:57 PM
6/20/11
Posts: 18484
MMALOGIC - 
thatonedude - 
MMALOGIC - 
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.


could you fill me in I genuinely don't know, but Mexico counts towards the ppv buy rate when they give those numbers? I always thought that was just the US.

 

Zuffa has a 24 hour spanish language subscription network that launched in mexico and launching in every other spanish speaking country. it costs around 12.95 to 14.95/mo and you get everything (ppv's, fight nightts, tuf, etc...)

 

There is no ppv in mexico so they count in the ppv numers.  USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ppv countries.

PPV will likely go away and be replaced by sports rights fees within the next 5 years.


So how would a subscription based system in Mexico possibly affect the ppv numbers in the US and Canada.

Are Aus and NZ really PPV? and if so i doubt they're counted or even close to the same price.

Who is paying $65 to watch a PPV event at 10 am.
12/19/14 7:59 PM
3/1/14
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UFC Prolapse IMO
12/19/14 8:01 PM
7/28/13
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epwar - 

Dana insulting their biggest PPV draw certainly didn't help.


Or telling the fans to fuck their dollar.  Brilliant promotional tactics.

12/19/14 8:17 PM
1/26/08
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Next year will be huge improvement over this year in PPV numbers.

Cormier vs Jones

Silva vs Diaz

Weidman vs Belfort
Ronda vs Zingano

Lawler vs Hendricks III

Cain vs Werdum

CM Pubk debut

All signs also point to GSP and Brock returns

Should be a big rebound in PPV sales, 2014 was shitty with all the injuries and Brock/GSP leaving.

Let's bump this thread next January and talk.

Good news is all PPVs should get purchased by fox or whoever does the new TV deal within 5 years s it won't matter. Sorry Haulport, UFC isn't going away, only going to get bigger. Phone Post 3.0
12/19/14 8:21 PM
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Posts: 15905
shaqitup -
MMALOGIC - 
thatonedude - 
MMALOGIC - 
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.


could you fill me in I genuinely don't know, but Mexico counts towards the ppv buy rate when they give those numbers? I always thought that was just the US.

 

Zuffa has a 24 hour spanish language subscription network that launched in mexico and launching in every other spanish speaking country. it costs around 12.95 to 14.95/mo and you get everything (ppv's, fight nightts, tuf, etc...)

 

There is no ppv in mexico so they count in the ppv numers.  USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ppv countries.

PPV will likely go away and be replaced by sports rights fees within the next 5 years.


So how would a subscription based system in Mexico possibly affect the ppv numbers in the US and Canada.

Are Aus and NZ really PPV? and if so i doubt they're counted or even close to the same price.

Who is paying $65 to watch a PPV event at 10 am.
Sometimes I'll get up early and watch a cowboys game @ 10am and bbq and already be 3 beers deep by the time the game starts haha.. Plus... DVR Phone Post 3.0
12/19/14 8:26 PM
8/17/12
Posts: 1784
shaqitup -
MMALOGIC - 
thatonedude - 
MMALOGIC - 
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.


could you fill me in I genuinely don't know, but Mexico counts towards the ppv buy rate when they give those numbers? I always thought that was just the US.

 

Zuffa has a 24 hour spanish language subscription network that launched in mexico and launching in every other spanish speaking country. it costs around 12.95 to 14.95/mo and you get everything (ppv's, fight nightts, tuf, etc...)

 

There is no ppv in mexico so they count in the ppv numers.  USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ppv countries.

PPV will likely go away and be replaced by sports rights fees within the next 5 years.


So how would a subscription based system in Mexico possibly affect the ppv numbers in the US and Canada.

Are Aus and NZ really PPV? and if so i doubt they're counted or even close to the same price.

Who is paying $65 to watch a PPV event at 10 am.
Yeah ppv is here in Aus... Bout $45 australian. And Aussies aren't afraid of a midday pub session so it's pretty popular Phone Post 3.0
12/19/14 8:27 PM
1/3/07
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Haulport -
ranier wolfcastle - 

more events, including free ones are the cause

theyd see higher buy rates per event if they did only 3 ppvs per year and nothing free

but i think theyre making more $ overall with the current method

 

 


From what I can gather (as gone into detail on other threads) they are not making more money. They are making either the same of less...

Why don't you post the pics...?
No way they are making less. The fox deal alone pays 90 million a year for the shows that previously would have been free on spike. Phone Post 3.0
12/19/14 8:28 PM
11/26/07
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burner22 -
shaqitup -
MMALOGIC - 
thatonedude - 
MMALOGIC - 
shaqitup - 
MMALOGIC - 

It's called a transition.

You cant enjoy both ppv profits and sports rights (and/or subscription fees)   There is a transition going on right now.

PPV numbers will rebound this year but will not likely be back to 2013 levels. Either you maximize sports rights fees/subscription fees or you maximize ppv.  You cant do both.

 


when you say subscription fee are you talking about their online service that nobody paid for?

Im talking about the UFC network in mexico which is a 24 hour UFC subscription network.


could you fill me in I genuinely don't know, but Mexico counts towards the ppv buy rate when they give those numbers? I always thought that was just the US.

 

Zuffa has a 24 hour spanish language subscription network that launched in mexico and launching in every other spanish speaking country. it costs around 12.95 to 14.95/mo and you get everything (ppv's, fight nightts, tuf, etc...)

 

There is no ppv in mexico so they count in the ppv numers.  USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are ppv countries.

PPV will likely go away and be replaced by sports rights fees within the next 5 years.


So how would a subscription based system in Mexico possibly affect the ppv numbers in the US and Canada.

Are Aus and NZ really PPV? and if so i doubt they're counted or even close to the same price.

Who is paying $65 to watch a PPV event at 10 am.
Yeah ppv is here in Aus... Bout $45 australian. And Aussies aren't afraid of a midday pub session so it's pretty popular Phone Post 3.0
That's what I'm talking about.. I'm the same way with football on Sundays haha Phone Post 3.0