UnderGround Forums Ref missing the tap

10/25/20 12:22 AM
9/5/16
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Gaethje tapped a few times and the ref just stood there. That resulted in Gaethje going out. Yes, some may feel that he should of when out on his shield, but the ref should be held accountable for that.  

10/25/20 12:30 AM
10/10/18
Posts: 887

I didn't think it was a clear tap. It was a 50/50 & I thought the ref did ok to let it go or we would be here now complaining about an early stoppage. 

10/25/20 12:34 AM
1/1/01
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it was clear on a couple occasions imo

10/25/20 12:34 AM
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10/25/20 12:48 AM
2/28/14
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From the initial angle outside the cage, I thought I clearly saw some taps, though they appeared a little strange. Almost like half-taps. 

When they showed the replay from an angle closer to what the ref would've seen, they appeared far more questionable and strange. I understand why he didn't immediately step in. Justin's taps were not at all the typical tapout. 

10/25/20 12:55 AM
10/30/03
Posts: 24290

Lol. He tapped about 40 times. Wouldn't be surprised if the ref was just transfixed on khabib and his face.

10/25/20 1:00 AM
12/22/10
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They were semi-clear taps but fuck it, a championship fight.

10/25/20 1:28 AM
8/23/02
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thenextman - 

Gaethje tapped a few times and the ref just stood there. That resulted in Gaethje going out. Yes, some may feel that he should of when out on his shield, but the ref should be held accountable for that.  


Sack up buddy! Pretty easy to clearly tap, he didn't. He sort of tapped sort of punched. Ref let it play out. No controversy beside a few people like you crying that a guy went to sleep.

He stops it on that tap and Justin protests you're making this same post about how the ref sucks for that reason. Fans like you are making this sport of fighting soft.

10/25/20 2:02 AM
6/18/16
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Clearly tapping imo

10/25/20 3:09 AM
8/10/09
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I thought he tapped.

No harm done.

Good job all.

Tremendous card!
10/25/20 3:18 AM
9/29/13
Posts: 12774

Herzog is an idiot for this.  That was a picture perfect triangle choke at an almost perpendicular angle.  It was hamstrings vs caratoids.  Once Khabib hooked the tap was imminent and he should have been watching for it.

10/25/20 3:26 AM
1/24/16
Posts: 3406

Tapped on there different occasions before Herzog stopped it. But it's just a choke not saying it's good but better than beating on an unconscious body

10/25/20 3:47 AM
4/5/08
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Eh, that looked like Gaethje was trying to throw some type of strike until he waved at the ref to signify that he was done.

There's far more questionable stoppages than that one.
10/25/20 4:29 AM
11/18/14
Posts: 4788

haha he appeared to see the tap and distrust it

10/25/20 4:41 AM
3/8/15
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Arodjohns - Eh, that looked like Gaethje was trying to throw some type of strike until he waved at the ref to signify that he was done.

There's far more questionable stoppages than that one.

This. No problems here

Edited: 10/25/20 8:24 AM
1/11/17
Posts: 1255

At the time I wasn't sure he was tapping, so I can't blame the ref. I think what threw people off here is how quickly khabib sunk that in and had Gaethje in trouble. It seemed inplausable that he was tapping so quickly to a choke like that.

That might be the fastest I have ever seen someone go to sleep from a sub.

10/25/20 8:33 AM
3/10/11
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I think its better for the ref to not break up the fight if they are not 100% sure they see a tap.

If this was a heel hook, that would be a different story. But in a choke, if you are not 100% sure you see a tap, let it go on ref.

People complaining about the refs need to go to their local MMA gym and practice being a ref while the guys spar. It will change your opinion quick. You can't see anything, nut shots don't look like nut shots. Its really hard to see fighters putting their fingers in the gloves. Grabbing the fence happens so quickly. Eye pokes are very hard to see. And its all on you to stop the fight, so when you are a ref, a good ref wants to stay out of the fight as much as possible and let it play out.

Its way worse for a ref to stop a fight early than late, in my opinion.

10/25/20 8:39 AM
1/1/01
Posts: 2093

At one point the rules were very clear that a submission meant "three or more taps."   I've never understood why they didn't stick to this more strenuously, and communicate it to fighters before every fight.  It would avoid situations like this.  

I just spent 60 seconds looking for this in the rules and couldn't find it.  

10/25/20 9:07 AM
3/15/19
Posts: 757

He tapped. It was very clear. Herzog had a bad angle. 
When it’s that tight and the guy is seconds from going out, a slow tap is all he can muster and the red has to be right there. Lucky for Justin he seemed fine after. 

10/25/20 9:38 AM
9/5/16
Posts: 156

I watched the reply a few times. He taps Khabib’s head the first time and his shoulder the second time before going out. 

I’m all for letting it go, but we’re not the fighter. What if he was out longer? No risk? 

10/25/20 11:11 AM
1/1/01
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i thought same thing

10/25/20 11:17 AM
4/4/20
Posts: 262

Justin’s taps were clear, the ref was at a bad angle. Should’ve been facing Justin 

10/25/20 11:23 AM
10/18/11
Posts: 486

I could see his decision going either way . The first tap was clear but the others looked like he was trying to paw his way out . Reffing is a very hard gig . If he would've stopped it early , everyone would be hating on him . So either way he's looking at fire.

10/25/20 11:54 AM
2/17/03
Posts: 16767

I thought they were clear taps. Scarier with a triangle, IMO, than an RNC because Khabib could have transitioned to attacking the arm against an unconscious guy . . .

10/25/20 12:12 PM
3/6/07
Posts: 6258

Yes he tapped. But it was kind of aggressive and maybe could have looked like he was still fighting it. 
 

no harm by the ref.