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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


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"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


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"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.
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I think the pay structure is fine. Good fighters get paid well and everyone else gets incentivized to become a good fighter. Every good fighter on the roster can easily make 200k and that puts them in the top 2% of income earners. You guys are just expecting them to be paid like the major sports athletes. First, mma is a fringe sport and secondly they will need to get their shit together and unionize if they want more. The reality is mma will always be fringe and the fighters will never unionize. 

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 

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Just broadcast this morning

 

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/9/16/20866655/court-filings-reveal-more-info-on-how-much-top-ufc-fighters-are-paid

9/16/19 3:53 PM
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The UG wizard sleeves who can't throw a spiral crying about pay again. 

All of your dad's failed to make you men. You get what you agree to, if you don't want the opportunity coach Kid Jitsu classes or go sell used cars. 

 

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The UG wizard sleeves who can't throw a spiral crying about pay again. 

All of your dad's failed to make you men. You get what you agree to, if you don't want the opportunity coach Kid Jitsu classes or go sell used cars. 

 

Hey Dana,

can I get tickets to the next event, please?

9/16/19 9:06 PM
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10,000 to show and 10,000 to win. That's fucking insane. 

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Connelly's situation has nothing to do with the UFC paying well.

He got a portion of his opponent's purse because Pereira missed wieght AND he got his half of the FOTN bonus also because Pereira missed weight and was no longer eligible.

The UFC was not going out of their way to be generous in the least other than by calling that slppy ass fight FOTN. It was entertaining and I'm glad to see a new guy getting paid a decent paycheck for once because it is a rarity in MMA but this whole situation had nothing to do with generosity., it was merely an abnormal set of circumstances and the UFC followed their own rules.

Case in point: this guy can fight again next week and he isn't going to get paid $125k for it, he'll be back to 10/10 + $3500 for being a Reebok billboard and not having the opportunity to find his own sponsors.


Kinda hard to talk about this without mentioning the portion taken from Perreira missing weight.
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10 to show and 10 to win????   Oh yeah...

UFC is emptying their pockets now!

So what would he get in one/pfl/Bellator?

 

seriously the UG is filled full of negative dumb cunts like you

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Wow so if he had gone in there and lost like he was supposed to, he'd have gotten 10k +$2,400?

$12,400 is not proof that UFC pays well, I think the opposite actually. He was fortunate to get a bonus and doubly fortunate his opponent missed so he got it all. 

Yes it's great for one weeks worth of work, but he can't do that every week. 

It's called market pay + exceptional pay for exceptional work ocasio Cortez. 

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Connelly's situation has nothing to do with the UFC paying well.

He got a portion of his opponent's purse because Pereira missed wieght AND he got his half of the FOTN bonus also because Pereira missed weight and was no longer eligible.

The UFC was not going out of their way to be generous in the least other than by calling that slppy ass fight FOTN. It was entertaining and I'm glad to see a new guy getting paid a decent paycheck for once because it is a rarity in MMA but this whole situation had nothing to do with generosity., it was merely an abnormal set of circumstances and the UFC followed their own rules.

Case in point: this guy can fight again next week and he isn't going to get paid $125k for it, he'll be back to 10/10 + $3500 for being a Reebok billboard and not having the opportunity to find his own sponsors.


Kinda hard to talk about this without mentioning the portion taken from Perreira missing weight.

I think it has been mentioned?

That is true though the UFC didn't come out of their pockets at all, in all actuality.

The bonuses are already part of the budget for every fight card and the other 20% came out of Pereira's pocket.

Hopefully they slipped him one of the fabled 'locker room bonuses' for putting on a show (sarcasm).

 

Lol. Who do you think pays for the budget fool. The tooth fairy?

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?
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10k/10k  is the highest minimum pay level out of all mma organizations, but for some reasom people only want to bitch about the ufc pay level and not any other. Bellator has paid fighters 1.5k/1.5k which is ridiculous yet nobody on here says a word about that. Now wi come the obligatory "well the ufc is the biggest organization, blah blah blah" excuse makers.


Well, Dana didn't call bellator the Super Bowl of MMA. He doesn't continually say bellator is the biggest sport in the world. He does about ufc though.

Maybe he should pay like it then.

$10k to show, lose, and end up netting about $5k after taxes, paying managers, etc... in the "SuperBowl" of mma for 3 months of work is ludicrous.

There we go, the famous "superbowl of mma" line that gets thrown out when this comes up  butnill play along. The ufc pays more than any other organization so by your logic they are the superbowl of mma. If not then who is? If 5k after taxes is ridiculous them what do you think about 1.5k/1.5k? Why do you ignore that point? When it comes to change you dont start at the top. You start at the bottom and work upwards, but with guys like you it's not about really changing fighter pay. It's just about hating on dana white which does nothing. Why do you give every other organization a pass????


I didn't say it's the super bowl of mma. Dana did, the guy you're so vigorously defending. And I don't hate him at all. Met him several times through mutual friends when I lived in Vegas. Super personable guy.


And if you don't understand why the ufc should pay way more than bellator, or the nfl should pay more than arena league, or why mlb should pay more than single A, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Hint: Revenue

Bringing up the supergirl of mma line is silly. That was just a comment he made, not the official zigga mission statement. If you insist on taking it literally then maybe you should realize ilthenolayers get the same paycheck for the superbowl as they do for regular season and playoff games. There is a BONUS of 67k for players on the winning team and 34k for the losing team. That is nothing compared to their salaries. So everytime you talk about superbowl of mma, it  has nothing to do with getting paid more. You really should quit trying to twist things around by taking a throwaway line so literally. 

 

"And if you don't understand why the ufc should pay way more than bellator, or the nfl should pay more than arena league, or why mlb should pay more than single A, I'm not sure what to tell you" 

They already do pay much more. In the last heavyweight title match Bader and Kongo each made $100,000 flat while Stipe made $750,000 and Cormier made $500,000. You should try looking at the actual numbers instead of rambling about superbowls, but if you can't understand that then I dont know what to tell you


Again you don't seem to understand revenue.

And should probably take a break from this thread, as personally as you're taking it. You don't seem emotionally quipped to cope with this topic. It shouldn't make you this angry. Don't take mma.tv so seriously

Hint - revenue? 

 

How about I give you a hint. It's called business. 

 

Do other sporting organisations give arbitrary pay rises based on revenue? No their stars earn it. 

 

Heres another hint- costs. You think the UFC has no other overheads that have grown in proportion to the organisation too?

 

You're a dumb negative anti UFC cunt and it's getting old  

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

You act like the whole roster is getting 10k/10k. That's just for first time fighters. I domt understand this sense of thinking a fighter has hit the jackpot and should get a massive payday for just being signed without even having a fight int he organization. Especially when 10k/10k is a raise in pay from what they made where they fought previously. You keep ignoring the point that if you think the ufc isnt paying a living wage in your opinion then every other organization is worse, but for some reason they get a pass while you are only focused on the ufc. Yeah, I know its because theyre a $5B organization so they should pay newcomers 50k/50k while everyone else gets away with paying 1k flat which is scandalous. But muh sponsors and superbowl of mma. 

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

You act like the whole roster is getting 10k/10k. That's just for first time fighters. I domt understand this sense of thinking a fighter has hit the jackpot and should get a massive payday for just being signed without even having a fight int he organization. Especially when 10k/10k is a raise in pay from what they made where they fought previously. You keep ignoring the point that if you think the ufc isnt paying a living wage in your opinion then every other organization is worse, but for some reason they get a pass while you are only focused on the ufc. Yeah, I know its because theyre a $5B organization so they should pay newcomers 50k/50k while everyone else gets away with paying 1k flat which is scandalous. But muh sponsors and superbowl of mma. 

Why speak up for an organization that could shut up every critic at the drop of a hat if they wanted to. All they'd have to do is explain what % of revenue they are paying fighters. Show some evidence of this. Show us what fighters bring in and what they make. Be transparent. 

Instead they chose to work in secrecy and blame people like fighter managers for getting a fighter a bad deal.

Think about that. They lowball fighters. Then blame their managers for getting lowballed. Then tell you at a fighter summit paid for by the company you don't need them.

 

Why would you ever put your name out there to defend that shadiness.

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

You act like the whole roster is getting 10k/10k. That's just for first time fighters. I domt understand this sense of thinking a fighter has hit the jackpot and should get a massive payday for just being signed without even having a fight int he organization. Especially when 10k/10k is a raise in pay from what they made where they fought previously. You keep ignoring the point that if you think the ufc isnt paying a living wage in your opinion then every other organization is worse, but for some reason they get a pass while you are only focused on the ufc. Yeah, I know its because theyre a $5B organization so they should pay newcomers 50k/50k while everyone else gets away with paying 1k flat which is scandalous. But muh sponsors and superbowl of mma. 

Why speak up for an organization that could shut up every critic at the drop of a hat if they wanted to. All they'd have to do is explain what % of revenue they are paying fighters. Show some evidence of this. Show us what fighters bring in and what they make. Be transparent. 

Instead they chose to work in secrecy and blame people like fighter managers for getting a fighter a bad deal.

Think about that. They lowball fighters. Then blame their managers for getting lowballed. Then tell you at a fighter summit paid for by the company you don't need them.

 

Why would you ever put your name out there to defend that shadiness.

You're way off topic. Nobody even mentioned the things you are going on about so stop lying saying I'm defending those points.

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

You act like the whole roster is getting 10k/10k. That's just for first time fighters. I domt understand this sense of thinking a fighter has hit the jackpot and should get a massive payday for just being signed without even having a fight int he organization. Especially when 10k/10k is a raise in pay from what they made where they fought previously. You keep ignoring the point that if you think the ufc isnt paying a living wage in your opinion then every other organization is worse, but for some reason they get a pass while you are only focused on the ufc. Yeah, I know its because theyre a $5B organization so they should pay newcomers 50k/50k while everyone else gets away with paying 1k flat which is scandalous. But muh sponsors and superbowl of mma. 

Why speak up for an organization that could shut up every critic at the drop of a hat if they wanted to. All they'd have to do is explain what % of revenue they are paying fighters. Show some evidence of this. Show us what fighters bring in and what they make. Be transparent. 

Instead they chose to work in secrecy and blame people like fighter managers for getting a fighter a bad deal.

Think about that. They lowball fighters. Then blame their managers for getting lowballed. Then tell you at a fighter summit paid for by the company you don't need them.

 

Why would you ever put your name out there to defend that shadiness.

You're way off topic. Nobody even mentioned the things you are going on about so stop lying saying I'm defending those points.

Lol oh you aren't trying to have an honest discussion I see. Good day sir

9/19/19 8:08 AM
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I think 20 20 really should be  a min for a ufc fight

9/19/19 9:23 AM
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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

How about if you don't like your contract, don't sign it? You want to be an MMA fighter. The UFC approaches you and says "We're willing to pay you 10 thousand to fight, and another 10 thousand to win. Do you want that contract?". If you feel like that's not a "livable wage", then don't fucking sign the contract. Be a man and tell them no, you're not interested unless they pay *insert dollar amount*. They will then either agree that you are worth that money and give it to you, or that you are not worth it, and retract the offer. At that point, you can go search for somewhere else that you can sell your labor for more money.

 

What's so hard about that? Again, I don't see what you dislike about this. The UFC isn't the only game in town. There are promotions all over the planet where you can go work. Sell your labor to the highest bidder. 

9/19/19 9:24 AM
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I think 20 20 really should be  a min for a ufc fight

Why?

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And if he lost and had no bonus his purse would only be 10k. That's too much variance to say the pay is good. It would be more accurate to say the pay has the potential to be good. 

 


This...

"When you talk about backroom bonuses and discretionary bonuses, they're awesome, they're cool, but it's not a steady salary, it's not promised," Henderson told Bleacher Report. "Some guys never get a bonus. It's all at the whim of the higher-ups. And you shouldn't have a problem paying your mortgage because of the whim of the higher-ups, because they didn't feel your fight was worthy of a bonus.

"That struck me as wrong. It's not right at all. Fighters are professional athletes. As much as we sacrifice, we shouldn't have to live hoping that we get a bonus, hoping that we did enough to impress them."

- Benson

This argument doesn't hold any weight. If you choose to accept a contract for a certain amount, your lifestyle choices should be made based on that contract. If you choose to take on a mortgage that requires you to depend on a potential bonus to pay it, what you're doing is placing a bet on yourself. If it pans out then it was a smart gamble. If it doesn't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

If you're not happy with the contract you signed, you shouldn't have signed it. It is absolutely ridiculous to complain about occasionally receiving extra pay that your employer has no obligation to give you, pay that is above and beyond the contracted amount you BOTH agreed to. 


Except Dana and fans always talk about how you earn so much in the ufc from "backroom locker room" bonuses, performance bonuses, etc...fighters are dumb and believe it and then realize there's a small chance of it happening, while they work a second job to pay for their shitty apartment.


There's clearly a reason top fighters like Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc... are leaving the ufc.

What's wrong with that? You SHOULD sell your labor to whoever is willing to pay you the most. Bader, Rory, Davis, Mousasi, etc. all were able to raise their stock by doing well in the UFC. If you want to be even close to competitive in the market, you need to acquire top fighters, so when top UFC fighters become available you're forced to open up your wallet to get them. That's what allowed those guys to negotiate for a great contract with Bellator.

 

I'm not seeing what you dislike about this scenario. 


You don't understand the concept of selling your organization through locker room bonuses and fight bonuses, despite the fact that fighters will likely never get one?

How about just paying a livable wage for fighters that are the reason for revenue in a $5B organization?

How about if you don't like your contract, don't sign it? You want to be an MMA fighter. The UFC approaches you and says "We're willing to pay you 10 thousand to fight, and another 10 thousand to win. Do you want that contract?". If you feel like that's not a "livable wage", then don't fucking sign the contract. Be a man and tell them no, you're not interested unless they pay *insert dollar amount*. They will then either agree that you are worth that money and give it to you, or that you are not worth it, and retract the offer. At that point, you can go search for somewhere else that you can sell your labor for more money.

 

What's so hard about that? Again, I don't see what you dislike about this. The UFC isn't the only game in town. There are promotions all over the planet where you can go work. Sell your labor to the highest bidder. 

This.  Millennials have a ridiculous sense of entitlement these days.  It's like a fry cook crying that he should be paid the same as the ceo of McDonald's. 

9/19/19 11:53 AM
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