UnderGround Forums UFC loses 100 Million in revenue in 2018

28 days ago
8/22/14
Posts: 2615

This is the one main point i have and always have had.

I believe that the reported earnings of the ufc are and always have been way under estimated.   That's why i wasn't surprised with how much zuffa got for it.  I believe they were more than likely laundering it through their casinos,  and wme got a look at the real figures. 

They don't open their books ever. They only disclose what they wish. Then from that we get all joe mathmatision and start crunching numbers.    For fuck sake we go off meltzers projections for PPVs   which is borderline crazy. 

I could list many places that revenue is coming from that i think fly under the radar but wont as this post is going to be long enough as is.

If you're sceptical answer me this please ( genuine question).

We like to go off properted ppv estimates yes?    You do realize those are only for north America!?   It almost like a well kept secret. 

The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant.  Basically every pub in Australia shows the ufc these days.   On top of that from my understanding public places don't pay the regular fee.   It's apparently in the thousands.   I heard somewhere that its fire capacity x 5.

Now do the figures and tell me if you think there earnings are not underreported.

 

To be honest.  Im not 1000% the information i have is correct.  But it's worth thinking about. If anyone has better information and im misinformed please feel free to share. It wouldn't be the first time ive been wrong 

28 days ago
8/21/06
Posts: 12609
"The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.
28 days ago
8/22/14
Posts: 2616
john joe - "The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.

Says who.

I find that hard to believe 

28 days ago
8/7/06
Posts: 1187
bungee up - 
john joe - "The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.

Says who.

I find that hard to believe 


In the UK we have PPV for some boxing events but not for MMA. You have to pay monthly for BT Sport which is the channel the UFC is on but UFC cards are not PPV over here.
28 days ago
12/9/13
Posts: 25735
bungee up -
john joe - "The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.

Says who.

I find that hard to believe 

PPV is fuck you americans only, cause not a single European agreed to that shit.

28 days ago
1/5/11
Posts: 17879
Morpheus1976 -
bungee up -
john joe - "The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.

Says who.

I find that hard to believe 

PPV is fuck you americans only, cause not a single European agreed to that shit.

Essentially true. PPV is a total "Fuck you, America".

 

It is. Tell the Europeans just how much it costs to watch all UFC's for one year over here, and they will laugh.

 

I feel like the illegal watching of streams is totally the fault of the UFC. They made it beyond unreasonable. The fact that their card and fight selection blows isn't helping their cause. Not buying a ppv for wmma or other fights that are essentially useless.

28 days ago
5/11/08
Posts: 1939

$600M matches 2015 when Ronda and Conor each fought twice, I believe. And that was a record year. Also 2017 included revenue from the Floyd/Conor fight which did over 4.5 million buys at like $100 a piece. 

By comparison, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in existence. They're valued at $5B and have annual revenue of $860M. 

The UFC are fine.

28 days ago
2/4/15
Posts: 416
pbody -

$600M matches 2015 when Ronda and Conor each fought twice, I believe. And that was a record year. Also 2017 included revenue from the Floyd/Conor fight which did over 4.5 million buys at like $100 a piece. 

By comparison, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in existence. They're valued at $5B and have annual revenue of $860M. 

The UFC are fine.

but, but, espn and my friends don't watch...

28 days ago
1/26/08
Posts: 17445
Androson_Silva -
pbody -

$600M matches 2015 when Ronda and Conor each fought twice, I believe. And that was a record year. Also 2017 included revenue from the Floyd/Conor fight which did over 4.5 million buys at like $100 a piece. 

By comparison, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in existence. They're valued at $5B and have annual revenue of $860M. 

The UFC are fine.

but, but, espn and my friends don't watch...

Lol, only on the UG

i swear so many keyboard warriors think they know more than experts who give advice to billion dollar corporations. It’s kind of funny.

its like the fat drunk guy watching football with his buddies saying he could make a play when the player getting paid millions couldn’t. 

28 days ago
3/23/12
Posts: 23822
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -
Androson_Silva -
pbody -

$600M matches 2015 when Ronda and Conor each fought twice, I believe. And that was a record year. Also 2017 included revenue from the Floyd/Conor fight which did over 4.5 million buys at like $100 a piece. 

By comparison, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in existence. They're valued at $5B and have annual revenue of $860M. 

The UFC are fine.

but, but, espn and my friends don't watch...

Lol, only on the UG

i swear so many keyboard warriors think they know more than experts who give advice to billion dollar corporations. It’s kind of funny.

its like the fat drunk guy watching football with his buddies saying he could make a play when the player getting paid millions couldn’t. 

“Experts” drive companies into the ground every day.  You realize that, right?

28 days ago
8/22/14
Posts: 2617
Flannerz -
bungee up - 
john joe - "The amount of PPVs outside on north America must be highly significant."

they are in fact almost nothing, PPV barely exists outside N.A.

Says who.

I find that hard to believe 


In the UK we have PPV for some boxing events but not for MMA. You have to pay monthly for BT Sport which is the channel the UFC is on but UFC cards are not PPV over here.

So all those ppv cards over the years have been free  if you pay for the cable subscription???? 

If so that's suprising.   I wonder how many other country's that's the case with. 

If that is actually the case then imagine how much the ufc sold the rights for that for. 

I can't help but think though that if that is the case then the uk would surely be the exception. 

The ufc isn't just going around giving away there content for free. They'd be making a fuckload on a global scale, im sure of that.

28 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 3077

Imagine their revenue if they lost Jon Jones as well. The star power is burning out with GSP and Brock gone, Connor barely fighting, and Anderson collecting paychecks. 

28 days ago
9/27/15
Posts: 9322
Mike OxBIG - 



Yeah I'm a big Mma fan but I hope the UFC keeps losing money and goes under eventually........wait what?!?

This forum is crazy as more than half the posters seem to want the UFC to go out of business
28 days ago
9/27/15
Posts: 9323
Eskimo - 
Right Hand JO Power -

i wish i could afford to lose 100 million in revenue and still be fucking killing it

Killing it? You’d pay over 4 billion to get a huge pain in the ass that made you 200 million per year? I’m sure that’s better now with the espn deal, but it’s still nothing special and they’re counting on growth of the sport that I guarantee we don’t see. People under 25 couldn’t give a rat’s ass about mma. One already beat them in Asia. Russia wasn’t anything like they’d hoped. The US market peaked 5 years ago. I bet WME tries to sell it before it becomes obvious what a turd it really is. Zuffa are still the smartest people in the room, and they played it perfectly. 


"People under 25 couldn't give a rats ass about mma"

Seems to be accurate and many of the people in their 30s and 40s who once were big fans have now lost interest..it's unfortunate but it does Feel the peak of the sport is behind us..

Is there a way to get get those fans back though? Any way to get the young audience interested?
28 days ago
9/27/15
Posts: 9324
thestaton - 

excited to see them become a thing of the past.  


OH fuck yes, just imagine mma without the UFC! Think of all the great cards we would be seeing then!
28 days ago
12/1/12
Posts: 5572
Thats fukin illegal -

I haven't watched an event since it been on ESPN .. it's a cluster fuck now 

This. Been following the sport since UFC 1 and haven’t watched a single card since the ESPN switch. They’re making it impossible for us old people to watch it on TV. 

28 days ago
9/27/15
Posts: 9325
The Closed Guard - 

The fix isn’t hard, less cards with more star power. Easier way to watch. UFC app that offers the PPV for a reasonable price


Lol since it's so easy to build superstars these days, right? Who are Ufcs stars these days? Conor and who else? Is Israel becoming a star or does no one care? I honestly don't know as very few people I know watch Mma closely
28 days ago
12/1/12
Posts: 5573
ons ear -
Eskimo - 
Right Hand JO Power -

i wish i could afford to lose 100 million in revenue and still be fucking killing it

Killing it? You’d pay over 4 billion to get a huge pain in the ass that made you 200 million per year? I’m sure that’s better now with the espn deal, but it’s still nothing special and they’re counting on growth of the sport that I guarantee we don’t see. People under 25 couldn’t give a rat’s ass about mma. One already beat them in Asia. Russia wasn’t anything like they’d hoped. The US market peaked 5 years ago. I bet WME tries to sell it before it becomes obvious what a turd it really is. Zuffa are still the smartest people in the room, and they played it perfectly. 


"People under 25 couldn't give a rats ass about mma"

Seems to be accurate and many of the people in their 30s and 40s who once were big fans have now lost interest..it's unfortunate but it does Feel the peak of the sport is behind us..

Is there a way to get get those fans back though? Any way to get the young audience interested?

For me it would be to put it back on “normal” television and not some ESPN +, I honestly have no idea what it is. FOX was great and easy to watch, plus I’d buy most PPV back then.  Now I rarely watch it due to the ESPN deal and quiet honestly they’re missing the big stars of the 90’s and 00’s. 

28 days ago
9/27/15
Posts: 9326
Acidic - 

I remember all my friends casually bringing up random upcoming UFCs events. Casual fans but now no one. Not a single person gives a fuck  


But why have people stopped giving a fuck? There's still a ton of badasses in the sport..Cormier, Ngannou,Stipe, Jones, Gastellum, Adesanya, Romero, Whitaker, Askren, Usman etc etc
28 days ago
12/9/13
Posts: 25736
pbody -

$600M matches 2015 when Ronda and Conor each fought twice, I believe. And that was a record year. Also 2017 included revenue from the Floyd/Conor fight which did over 4.5 million buys at like $100 a piece. 

By comparison, the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in existence. They're valued at $5B and have annual revenue of $860M. 

The UFC are fine.

do those Dallas cowboys have a debt of 1.8 billion?

28 days ago
12/9/13
Posts: 25737
ons ear -
The Closed Guard - 

The fix isn’t hard, less cards with more star power. Easier way to watch. UFC app that offers the PPV for a reasonable price


Lol since it's so easy to build superstars these days, right? Who are Ufcs stars these days? Conor and who else? Is Israel becoming a star or does no one care? I honestly don't know as very few people I know watch Mma closely

they build up Ngannou, he loses, drop him like a brick, Till the same and many others.

28 days ago
8/22/14
Posts: 2618

At the risk of being that guy that goes " listen to me, listen to what i have to say "

My previous question still seems to be un answered.   Probably because non of us actually know because its not public. 

I tried doing some research and didn't get very far.  It does seem that the PPV model isn't totally world wide but it dose seem that the product is world wide ( 159 contries ).   They're making alot of revenue off that im sure. They arnt just giving it away.   There must be a fuck ton of money tied up in tv deals. 

On top of that the extra money they charge for the places hosting the ufc in public,  again like previously mentioned. 

 

The ufc isn't something that's exclusive to north America like the NFL. Almost nobody gives a fuck about the NFL outside north America. 

Edited: 28 days ago
2/9/09
Posts: 8841
ons ear -
The Closed Guard - 

The fix isn’t hard, less cards with more star power. Easier way to watch. UFC app that offers the PPV for a reasonable price


Lol since it's so easy to build superstars these days, right? Who are Ufcs stars these days? Conor and who else? Is Israel becoming a star or does no one care? I honestly don't know as very few people I know watch Mma closely

I think the UFC should stop relying on a few superstars and put together cards actually worth watching, cards that the “hardcores”can talk their casual friends into watching. 

28 days ago
10/31/07
Posts: 5826

Espn+ is murdering the ufc slowly

28 days ago
10/14/17
Posts: 1451
ons ear -
Mike OxBIG - 



Yeah I'm a big Mma fan but I hope the UFC keeps losing money and goes under eventually........wait what?!?

This forum is crazy as more than half the posters seem to want the UFC to go out of business

Literally never said that lol 

I love MMA but don’t love the UFC

How can I support a company that deliberately fucks over their fighters?