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5/28/20 5:04 PM
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What does Conor have to do to be P4P #1?

If he beats Khabib and becomes LW champ, then Usman, he would be champ in 3 weight divisions. If he then defends against someone like Jorge and wins, I think he wins his case for #1 P4P GOAT.

5/28/20 5:06 PM
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Never going to happen!

Edited: 5/28/20 5:28 PM
11/24/13
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Actually defend a title multiple times. So far he has 0 title defenses.

He can start by stringing together some wins and then winning a belt. The sad reality is that he will be gifted another title shot or a #1 contender bout AGAIN. All the actual GOATs never had this luxury, they either had to climb through their respective divisions or/and defend the belt multiple times.

Currently he has yet to win a fight since 2016 if we disclude Cowboy fainting like a billy goat on live TV.

Conor isn't the same type of true fighter as a Cowboy, a Fedor, Stipe, Liddell, etc [insert a hundred names here]. He's an exhibitionist, a Zuffa employee to draw eyes to the sport. His career path is carefully and tactically plotted out by Zuffa so as to maximize profits. Thus, he is precluded in the GOAT fighter discussion. Conor early taps when things get ugly. Not a single other GOAT I can think of does this.

However, one could make the argument he is the most influential fighter of all time for the UFC, in the context of bringing eyes to the sport.

5/28/20 5:31 PM
10/20/16
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He needs to start fighting and stop losing 

Edited: 5/28/20 5:37 PM
2/9/09
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Defend titles, fight the real number 1 contenders and not "easier" fights to get a title shot. Etc. 

 

Even to be p4p #1. He has a lot of victories ahead of him. 

5/28/20 5:38 PM
7/30/03
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AnotherTMAguy -

What does Conor have to do to be P4P #1?

If he beats Khabib and becomes LW champ, then Usman, he would be champ in 3 weight divisions. If he then defends against someone like Jorge and wins, I think he wins his case for #1 P4P GOAT.

No because if we are imagining things I could imagine Jon Jones droping down to 125 and working his way back up winning every title and my imaginary scenario beats yours keeping Jon as the number one p4p

5/28/20 5:43 PM
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Winning would be a good start 

5/28/20 7:51 PM
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Rematch with Dennis Siver

5/28/20 8:49 PM
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bootysweat -

He needs to start fighting and stop losing 

This

5/29/20 12:35 AM
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18-2 in his last 20. One was to a undefeated top 5 fighter of all time.
5/29/20 1:05 AM
11/1/19
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Going to have to beat Darrel Horcher.

Edited: 5/29/20 2:04 AM
5/15/15
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3 weight div champ would be impressive. But, he would need to win a few other fights in honesty. He's lost 2 of his last 5. Jon Jones for example hasnt been "beaten", yet he's had a lot of title fights. 

 

Conor would need to go undefeated and defend championship  a few times, fighting against all etc etc

5/29/20 2:18 AM
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Beat Aldo at 170 to earn an interim title fight at 155 against Dustin.  Lose to Dustin, beat Diaz by split decision at 185 to earn a title fight against Izzy.  Lose that, challenge Kelvin at LHW.  Win that fight and earn an interim title fight with Shogun since Jones will have been arrested for crack by now.  Lose that and retire GOAT 5 division title contender and two division champ 

5/29/20 3:53 AM
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InTheClosetCucumberBoy -

Beat Aldo at 170 to earn an interim title fight at 155 against Dustin.  Lose to Dustin, beat Diaz by split decision at 185 to earn a title fight against Izzy.  Lose that, challenge Kelvin at LHW.  Win that fight and earn an interim title fight with Shogun since Jones will have been arrested for crack by now.  Lose that and retire GOAT 5 division title contender and two division champ 

Exactly what I was thinking 

5/29/20 7:30 AM
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Fight and beat everyone in the top 10. Actually defend a title if he wins one again.
5/29/20 10:02 AM
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Of course he can do it. Robbie Lawler became a top P4P fighter after nearly a decade in the wilderness. Fighters tend to reach the top of the P4P rankings in two ways:

(1) An uninterrupted streak of dominance in their weight (GSP, Silva, Aldo, Mighty Mouse, Jones, Fedor).

(2) Winning titles in two divisions AND defending (DC, Cejudo).

It's very rare for a fighter to reach the top of the P4P rankings if they are avoiding certain types of fighters, as well. So, I think Conor would need to beat a very good MMA wrestler, as well.

5/29/20 10:38 AM
5/12/13
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He should fight as a starter

5/29/20 7:32 PM
11/20/12
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Come back, rematch Dustin.  Beat Justin and then get the Kabib win back.  

All the top P4P guys have losses, minus Kabib.  GSP got TKOed by Serra, got the win back, defended multiple times, retired, came back and won the 185 and retired again.  

Cejudo has losses and got one back, titles in 2 divisions. 

Same with DC.

Undefeated =/= P4P

5/29/20 7:50 PM
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Tmaguru - 
Nytron -

Actually defend a title multiple times. So far he has 0 title defenses.

He can start by stringing together some wins and then winning a belt. The sad reality is that he will be gifted another title shot or a #1 contender bout AGAIN. All the actual GOATs never had this luxury, they either had to climb through their respective divisions or/and defend the belt multiple times.

Currently he has yet to win a fight since 2016 if we disclude Cowboy fainting like a billy goat on live TV.

Conor isn't the same type of true fighter as a Cowboy, a Fedor, Stipe, Liddell, etc [insert a hundred names here]. He's an exhibitionist, a Zuffa employee to draw eyes to the sport. His career path is carefully and tactically plotted out by Zuffa so as to maximize profits. Thus, he is precluded in the GOAT fighter discussion. Conor early taps when things get ugly. Not a single other GOAT I can think of does this.

However, one could make the argument he is the most influential fighter of all time for the UFC, in the context of bringing eyes to the sport.

This is the most hater post of all Conor hater posts.

 

How was his 145 run plotted out?  Did he beat the goat 145er in 13 seconds after a series of knockouts over top ranked guys or not?

 

You are blinded by hate.


Nytron is correct. Conor got the 145 belt as quickly as possible against guys he personally called out (i.e. guys he wanted to fight i.e. guys he thought he would have a good-to-great chance against) then ran from Frankie Edgar for his first title defense.

This is why Conor doesn't defend his titles. You can't pick-and-choose who you want to fight. It's always the #1 contender.

Instead, Conor's business model is to get a belt then try to leverage that into a big-money fight that he couldn't be able to get without being a champion. Nothing wrong with that. But let's call it what it is. That's why even though he's the greatest box-office draw in MMA history, he's not even remotely in any GOAT discussions.

Don't get the wrong, he's very skilled and an exciting fighter and still has to do his part, so to speak, i.e. win the fights that he picks.

5/29/20 7:59 PM
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Fight more and type less.

5/29/20 9:12 PM
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If he knocks out Usman, that would do it - belts at 145, 155, 170,