UnderGround Forums Which popular fighter will have the worst CTE?

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Gaethje/Overeem/Cowboy?

 

Who;s going to end up wrecked from the punishment they took?

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Wanderlei

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Diaz brothers

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Cowboy, Wanderlei, Liddell, D Sanchez 

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Barboza. Rockhold(gym wars)

Oddly I don't think guys like James Vick or Ben Saunders who got KO'd ugly will be the ones. It's going to be the most durable. Not something good to speculate about.

 

 

 

 

 

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Diego Sanchez...

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I have followed CTE pretty closely, and I don't think it's the monster KOs that does it. I think it's the sub-concussive blows from sparring 3 x a week, for 20 years. So the guys most likely to develop CTE are not going to be obvious from looking at the ass end of highlight reels.

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Mir, Weidman, Garbrandt & Rashad

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Hendo

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I think Reem will be better off than you would expect, his brain seems to want to protect itself right away.
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I think its impossible to judge the damage getting ko'd does to the brain. Maybe mri's can better judge damage but theres probably variables. I think hw may fare better because they don't cut as much weight even though they hit harder.

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Nate Diaz, Shogun, Mir, Rampage, Lauzon, Barao, Alves, Killa Bee 

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Holloway 

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Holloway 

I wonder what his sparring looks like, he’s never looked bad in a fight but his speech is certainly suspect. 

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I have followed CTE pretty closely, and I don't think it's the monster KOs that does it. I think it's the sub-concussive blows from sparring 3 x a week, for 20 years. So the guys most likely to develop CTE are not going to be obvious from looking at the ass end highlight reels.

True, but they will soon link steroid use to this. Just wait.

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Gaethje got this in the bag... 

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Kirik - 

I have followed CTE pretty closely, and I don't think it's the monster KOs that does it. I think it's the sub-concussive blows from sparring 3 x a week, for 20 years. So the guys most likely to develop CTE are not going to be obvious from looking at the ass end highlight reels.


Agreed.
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Diego

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Holloway 

I wonder what his sparring looks like, he’s never looked bad in a fight but his speech is certainly suspect. 

He looked pretty bad against Poirer, and the whole weight cut/concussion/mystery ailment thing will forever cast doubt over his health for me. I bet his sparring sessions are brutal and frequent. I hope I’m wrong. 

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Overeem
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Bob Lawler

Chris Lytle had to have done some damage to himself 

 

12/2/19 10:47 AM
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Well, I don't know if Miguelito Marti is "popular" but he might be someone who has risked CTE.

With a 1-41 record, he's been finished 39 times, 18 by KO. 

Trivia fact: Henry Cejudo was the first guy to KO Marti, back in 2013 when Triple C was padding his record by fighting on the rez (4 of Henry's 7 career finishes came in his first 4 fights). Henry moved on. Miguelito didn't.

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Kirik -

I have followed CTE pretty closely, and I don't think it's the monster KOs that does it. I think it's the sub-concussive blows from sparring 3 x a week, for 20 years. So the guys most likely to develop CTE are not going to be obvious from looking at the ass end of highlight reels.

Can you elaborate on what you see as some of the other variables to accelerating CTE?

For example, size/weight class? Lifestyle? Diet? Sport(I assume boxing would be the most impactful)?

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Kirik -

I have followed CTE pretty closely, and I don't think it's the monster KOs that does it. I think it's the sub-concussive blows from sparring 3 x a week, for 20 years. So the guys most likely to develop CTE are not going to be obvious from looking at the ass end of highlight reels.

Can you elaborate on what you see as some of the other variables to accelerating CTE?

For example, size/weight class? Lifestyle? Diet? Sport(I assume boxing would be the most impactful)?


The number on contributing factor is head trauma. After that, even for smart people, it's just guess work. For me, it's like making s up.

But,  yah, I think it's the hard sparring. It sort of stands to reason biologically. Via falls, violence, etc, we get hit hugely in the head occassionally during our life. That should leave us f'd to tears. But I don't think we are woodpeckers, built to take endless head trauma. I mean, evolutionarily, how would that happen?

After head trauma, and this is purely anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth which is about nothing, I think partying (drugs and probably more significantly alcohol) plays a huge role. It could simply be that beer is a diuertic. But I've seen guys that never booze seemingly do fine, and guys who party hard seem to get punchy more readily. It's not like a hard and fast rule, but def seems to trend that way.

And I think heavyweights get less CTE than I would expect, I think maybe because they don't cut.

I am super interested in what other people might think?