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Who was the best old school MMA fighter?



I'm thinking it may have been Igor Vovchanchyn.



By Old School, I mean the early day of MMA. So don't bring up the likes of Anderson Silva or Georges St. Pierre, or even Fedor Emelianenko.
22 days ago
12/3/02
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Igor was middle school. 
 

old school was ruas  

22 days ago
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Igor had his first MMA fight in like either 1995 or 1996. That was around the same time Marco Ruas first fought in the UFC.



I do recall hearing that Ruas had some MMA fights in Brazil prior to this, so that may well predate Igor.


Ruas had a lot of hype, but he was a bit of an underachiever, whereas Igor was a big of an overachiever. Not many people expected a 5'8" pudgy guy like Igor to do as well as he did, especially considering that he mostly fought heavyweights.
22 days ago
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Igor will always be the old school GOAT to me. He leads everyone when you compare number or fights, number of KO's, and the level of competition for the time that be faced. Went on like a 32-0 win streak at one point. Won three 8 man tournaments in a month or something. It's a shame he was kind of already on the decline when he debuted in Pride and really stepped up in competition. I think he would have thrashed everyone in the early UFC if he had ever fought there. 

22 days ago
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"It's a shame he was kind of already on the decline when he debuted in Pride and really stepped up in competition."



Igor did pretty well in PRIDE for awhile. He may well have beaten Mark Coleman in the PRIDE Grand Prix if not for the fact that Igor had two fights earlier that night, against Gary Goodridge and Kazushi Sakuraba, while Coleman fought Akira Shoji, but then basically got a bye in the 2nd round when Kazuyuki Fujita came in and immediately had the towel thrown in before he and Coleman even started fighting, due to Fujita having been worn out from his victory over Mark Kerr.


It is too bad that we never got to see Mark Coleman against a fresh Kazuyuki Fujita. That could have been a good fight.
22 days ago
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Rickson :-)

22 days ago
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Royce then Ken.
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Frank Dux
21 days ago
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Royce

21 days ago
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Will always be Frank Shamrock to me.

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Pele

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Bill Mahoney - 

Royce


Agreed. Can't get more old-school than Royce.

21 days ago
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Agree with Ruas

I'd also throw in Don Frye.

Flame away, but Steve Jennum also beat a top 10 boxer.
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Coleman with headbutts was a whole lot to deal with. 

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Kirik -

Rickson :-)

Only because he never ran into Mark The Hammer Coleman.

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jgiveshead - 
Kirik -

Rickson :-)

Only because he never ran into Mark The Hammer Coleman.



I think Vitor would have starched him.


All due hespect.
21 days ago
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theshooter - Igor had his first MMA fight in like either 1995 or 1996. That was around the same time Marco Ruas first fought in the UFC.



I do recall hearing that Ruas had some MMA fights in Brazil prior to this, so that may well predate Igor.


Ruas had a lot of hype, but he was a bit of an underachiever, whereas Igor was a big of an overachiever. Not many people expected a 5'8" pudgy guy like Igor to do as well as he did, especially considering that he mostly fought heavyweights.

Ruas fought Pinduka in 1984.....1984!

Ruas is old school and was past his prime by the time he came to the UFC.
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Choked72 -
theshooter - Igor had his first MMA fight in like either 1995 or 1996. That was around the same time Marco Ruas first fought in the UFC.



I do recall hearing that Ruas had some MMA fights in Brazil prior to this, so that may well predate Igor.


Ruas had a lot of hype, but he was a bit of an underachiever, whereas Igor was a big of an overachiever. Not many people expected a 5'8" pudgy guy like Igor to do as well as he did, especially considering that he mostly fought heavyweights.

Ruas fought Pinduka in 1984.....1984!

Ruas is old school and was past his prime by the time he came to the UFC.

Ruas was 36 when he debuted in UFC 7. Marco in his Prime would have been amazing. Having said that, I've always kind of been confused why he came into that event with so much hype. He had two total fights previous to that and they were several years earlier. I guess the fact that he was Brazilian like Royce and he seemed to have some reputation that followed him from Brazil. 

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Captain 'Murica - Agree with Ruas

I'd also throw in Don Frye.

Flame away, but Steve Jennum also beat a top 10 boxer.

Hard to make any kind of argument for Jennum. He beat a clueless boxer with possibly the sloppiest armbar ever seen in MMA, and he was totally dismal in all his next fights. 

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Kerr. 

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Vrill - 
Captain 'Murica - Agree with Ruas

I'd also throw in Don Frye.

Flame away, but Steve Jennum also beat a top 10 boxer.

Hard to make any kind of argument for Jennum. He beat a clueless boxer with possibly the sloppiest armbar ever seen in MMA, and he was totally dismal in all his next fights. 


There shouldn't be any argument made for Jennum as he was NEVER a professional fighter/athlete. He was a martial arts hobbyist that got in at the infancy of the sport in America.

Jennum vs. Hackney is still one of my all-time dream-fights.

Hell, Jennum vs. Pat Smith would have been fun as well. Steve could get revenge for Scott Morris!
21 days ago
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Royce

Rickson

Renzo

Ruas

Shamrock

Erik Paulson

Matt Hume
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"Jennum vs. Hackney is still one of my all-time dream-fights.

Hell, Jennum vs. Pat Smith would have been fun as well. Steve could get revenge for Scott Morris!"



Keith Hackney was one of my favorites of the lower tier fighters in the early UFCs. I heard that he got pretty hardcore into Pankration training and went on to become a coach, but unfortunately, other than those 4 UFC fights he had, where he went 2-2, but his 2 loses were to Royce Gracie, and Marco Ruas, who were among the top guys back then, he never fought again.


I also recall that Keith Hackney was in a movie called Superfights, or something like that. I think pro wrestler Rob Van Dam was also in it, and I believe Hershel Walker as well. This would have been back in the 1990's.
21 days ago
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you would have to give a specific year to get a good answer