UnderGround Forums Wilder vs Joshua, then Fury vs Winner?

Edited: 5/25/19 12:20 AM
11/24/10
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I'd like to hear everyone on the UGs thoughts on these three. For the first time in a long time there is excitement back in the heavyweight division in boxing.

I feel like Wilder & Fury and their teams both have tried reaching out for fights with Joshua but he is avoiding them because he knows Wilder & Fury stand the best chance to beating him. I would like to see the unification match with Wilder & Joshua first then have Fury fight the winner, which I'm sure would be Wilder vs Fury 2. These two have got more eyes on the heavyweight division in a long time because these two don't care to fight and they will run it back again eventually whether Joshua and his team ever decide to fight either one of them.

Thoughts UG?

Edited: 5/25/19 1:32 AM
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Why does this nonsense keep getting repeated?

 

Joshua just offered Wilder a 3 fight deal with DAZN for $100 million that included a guaranteed rematch with AJ win or lose.  20 million for the Breazeale fight, he got nothing near that from Showtime for it, then 40 million each for the AJ fights and Wilder turned it down. AJ has made numerous official offers to Wilder and they have all been turned down.

 

AJ offers guys multiple times more than they have ever made in their careers, they turn it down then people act like AJ is ducking??  It makes no sense to me.  Same thing with Ortiz he just got offered 7 million and he turned it down when his biggest pay day was half a million.  Now he’s signed to fight Wilder next and guaranteed he isn’t seeing anywhere near 7 million.

 

Wilder has twice as many fights and way more years in the game than AJ yet AJ has the better resume.  Wilder never even attempted to fight Klitschko when he was the man, yet AJ did it a couple of years into his pro career.

The only reason Wilder took the Fury fight was because he thought Fury was out of shape and done after the layoff and mental health problems. 

AJ has less fights than both Wilder and Fury yet he is the one unifying belts and consistently fighting top ten opponents.

5/25/19 4:51 AM
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Wilder is ducking AJ hard, and has a history of ducking and cherry picking, even the Fury fight was a clear cherry pick gone wrong. Fury is impossible to read because he is completely inconsistent in his behaviour (look what he did last December and look what hes doing now, he makes no sense), AJ and Hearn seem the most credible and believable at this point as Hearn is far more open with the media than other promoters and has already exposed people trying to push bullshit narratives against him and AJ, ie the Ortiz situation recently. 

 

As far as an actual fight. Fury is far and away the best pure boxer and should be the favourite to come out on top. Wilder is the most one dimensional and flawed but has a right hand equalizer that makes him a serious one punch KO threat against anyone,Joshua is a better boxer than Wilder and a better puncher than Fury. It probably turns out Fury>AJ>Wilder in the end. That is if we ever see any of these fights.

5/25/19 5:34 AM
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I will add that you cant sleep on the division outside of those guys. Theres some good prospects like Ajagba, Hrgovic and Dubois coming up. Remains to be seen if Usyks skill will translate well vs HW size and power too, if it does he is gonna be a problem.

Edited: 5/25/19 6:21 AM
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Teenage Mutant Lesnar Turtle -

Wilder is ducking AJ hard, and has a history of ducking and cherry picking, even the Fury fight was a clear cherry pick gone wrong. Fury is impossible to read because he is completely inconsistent in his behaviour (look what he did last December and look what hes doing now, he makes no sense), AJ and Hearn seem the most credible and believable at this point as Hearn is far more open with the media than other promoters and has already exposed people trying to push bullshit narratives against him and AJ, ie the Ortiz situation recently. 

 

As far as an actual fight. Fury is far and away the best pure boxer and should be the favourite to come out on top. Wilder is the most one dimensional and flawed but has a right hand equalizer that makes him a serious one punch KO threat against anyone,Joshua is a better boxer than Wilder and a better puncher than Fury. It probably turns out Fury>AJ>Wilder in the end. That is if we ever see any of these fights.

These are really good points guys. I remember when Wilder fought Ortiz, I thought he was losing until that 10th round bomb landed.  Like you said, I think Fury is a better technical boxer than Wilder hands down. Everyone saw that in their fight and I agree he underestimated Tyson. He went through that dark period in his life after he beat Vlad for the title. 

Difference is I think Fury with his head on beats Wilder and Joshua. Vlad was beating Joshua until the TKO in the 11th. Even with the knockdowns in Furys fight against Wilder, Fury should of won that fight by the rounds.

5/25/19 6:42 AM
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Wilder will flatline Joshua. 

Edited: 5/25/19 7:50 AM
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Teenage Mutant Lesnar Turtle -

Wilder is ducking AJ hard, and has a history of ducking and cherry picking, even the Fury fight was a clear cherry pick gone wrong. Fury is impossible to read because he is completely inconsistent in his behaviour (look what he did last December and look what hes doing now, he makes no sense), AJ and Hearn seem the most credible and believable at this point as Hearn is far more open with the media than other promoters and has already exposed people trying to push bullshit narratives against him and AJ, ie the Ortiz situation recently. 

 

As far as an actual fight. Fury is far and away the best pure boxer and should be the favourite to come out on top. Wilder is the most one dimensional and flawed but has a right hand equalizer that makes him a serious one punch KO threat against anyone,Joshua is a better boxer than Wilder and a better puncher than Fury. It probably turns out Fury>AJ>Wilder in the end. That is if we ever see any of these fights.

haha. Wilder cherry picks? Don't these guy both have pretty much the same record and opponenets.. EXCEPT WILDER AND FURY ACTUALLY FOUGHT! You fucking idiots just love talking. AJ's best opponent is 45yr old Klitch. hahaha. Wilder and his cherry picking!!! Fury himself said AJ is ducking Wilder.

 Also, Wilders mananger just said yesterday out his next 3 fights Fury and AJ will be 2 of them. So unless his manager is running around saying this shit to make Wilder look bad...who is ducking who? Again, UKers are fucking idiots.

5/25/19 7:48 AM
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3 of the best HEavies in boxing right now... Wilder, Fury and AJ.

2 of those guys fought, UKers says Wilder cherry picks and ducks.

LMFAO!!!!

5/25/19 8:03 AM
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Lol at this shit

AJ is an Olympic gold medalist and has had 22 fights and has beaten Povetkin, Parker, Klitschko, Takam, Whyte

Wilderis an Olympic bronze medalist and has 42 fights with his biggest wins over Arreola and Luis rOrtiz and a draw against a semi retired Fury

By 28 fights Wilder’s biggest victory was Fraudley......

They have two common opponents Molina who AJ starched much faster than Wilder and Brezake who Wilder starched much faster
5/25/19 8:30 AM
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If Joshua/Wilder doesn't happen this year, Joshua will probably end up fighting Usyk, Whyte or Ortiz. The Joshua/Wilder fight absolutely has to happen at the end of the year. The winner will have to face Fury.

Edited: 5/25/19 9:05 AM
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BrckNoHitBk -
Teenage Mutant Lesnar Turtle -

Wilder is ducking AJ hard, and has a history of ducking and cherry picking, even the Fury fight was a clear cherry pick gone wrong. Fury is impossible to read because he is completely inconsistent in his behaviour (look what he did last December and look what hes doing now, he makes no sense), AJ and Hearn seem the most credible and believable at this point as Hearn is far more open with the media than other promoters and has already exposed people trying to push bullshit narratives against him and AJ, ie the Ortiz situation recently. 

 

As far as an actual fight. Fury is far and away the best pure boxer and should be the favourite to come out on top. Wilder is the most one dimensional and flawed but has a right hand equalizer that makes him a serious one punch KO threat against anyone,Joshua is a better boxer than Wilder and a better puncher than Fury. It probably turns out Fury>AJ>Wilder in the end. That is if we ever see any of these fights.

haha. Wilder cherry picks? Don't these guy both have pretty much the same record and opponenets.. EXCEPT WILDER AND FURY ACTUALLY FOUGHT! You fucking idiots just love talking. AJ's best opponent is 45yr old Klitch. hahaha. Wilder and his cherry picking!!! Fury himself said AJ is ducking Wilder.

 Also, Wilders mananger just said yesterday out his next 3 fights Fury and AJ will be 2 of them. So unless his manager is running around saying this shit to make Wilder look bad...who is ducking who? Again, UKers are fucking idiots.

Wilders best wins in 42 pro fights and 11 years in the game - Ortiz, Stiverne x2, Arreola, Breazele, Duhaupas, Washington, Szpilka, Molina, Malik Scott, Audley Harrison. AJ in 22 fights and 5 years as a pro - Wlad, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Takam, Breazele, Molina, Martin, Kevin Johnson.  Pretty clear that one guys record is much more padded than the others....what would that indicate to you? 

 

You're praising Wilder for taking the Fury fight while ignoring the part where Fury went AWOL for 3 years, became a fat drug addict and then came back against 2 bums in absolute train wreck fights. All of a sudden Wilders team could not wait to get Fury in the ring ASAP.  You're also conveniently missing out the other part of the story when you talk about "45 year old Wlad",  as Wilders best win is over a 40 year old, that is 40 in Cuban years, as everyone knows Ortiz is much older than he claims to be. Stiverne is pretty old too. I'll take old Wlad and old Povetkin over old Ortiz and old Stiverne. 

 

Wasnt Finkel talking about doing an Ortiz rematch and then fighting Kownacki recently? they actually had Ortiz enter the ring to challenge Wilder, and Wilder was telling the fans to be patient with the Joshua fight. Eddie Hearn said recently that they want the Wilder fight next and nothing else. The man talks openly and frequently in unfiltered, uncontrolled environments with the media so he either has a great poker face or simply doesnt have as much to hide. Finkel is slippery and slimy as fuck in comparison. Not to mention AJ is in America fighting in the same city Wilder just fought 2 weeks later. Wilder was invited to the event but Finkel wont let him attend with the excuse being "AJ didnt attend the Breazele fight" even though AJ is obviously busy preparing for a fight whereas Wilder is done with his.

 

As for Fury saying AJ is ducking, Fury says a whole lot of shit. Hes saying Wilder is ducking him too while all signs point to him being the one avoiding the rematch, and hes off on ESPN now fighting an absolute joke of an opponent. Fury is like that...

 

Lastly, you're talking about "UK'ers"...you have noticed that Fury is also from the UK right? so is Whyte...its not like everyone from here has to jump on AJs nuts and surrender their objectivity at the door because hes our only hope. Its not about US vs UK at all, I'm caling it as I see it

 

Tl:dr, look at this

 

 

vs the first 10 minutes of this...

 

 

Be honest, who looks like they're hiding something?

5/25/19 9:17 AM
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This is even more damning.

 

 

First of all, how could anyone trust this fucking vampire? he is the absolute epitome of old school boxing conman. Secondly, just listen to what hes saying, the way he talks about Floyd/Pac a few minutes in should be a dead giveaway whats going on. Cant believe theres anyone left who buys their side of the story anymore. 

5/26/19 2:04 AM
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Looking like Wilder Fury 2 will happen before any potential Joshua fight seeing as all goes good in Furys next fight.

Tyson also said he would be willing to fight Dillian Whyte after Tom Schwarz fight in June then Wilder in Spring 2020.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/1131952/Boxing-News-Eddie-Hearn-Tyson-Fury-Dillian-Whyte-Deontay-Wilder-Eliminator

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-latest/ahit55rn65is1hbxo5u7g3kxp

5/26/19 4:33 AM
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Eddie Hearne was told that the WBC will order Whyte vs Fury next. Hopefully that paves the way for Joshua vs Wilder 

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5/26/19 8:51 PM
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I hate the bullshit of arguing about boxing politics, i just want these guys to fight. I have a suspicion that furey comes out on top as long as he doesn't go mental along the way.

5/26/19 9:22 PM
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Wilder will flatline Joshua. 

. This! Joshua and Hearn have been and will continue to make disrespectful offers that they know no one would accept, for the sole purpose of saving face and claiming they made offers. The guy above, Ecky, claiming DAZN offered Wilder $100 million for 3 fights obviously doesn’t know how much this fight will generate. The two best heavyweights, both undefeated, in a fight that will easily do record #’s? You want to offer a man at the summit of the fight mountain pennies on the dollar? I mean Conor made $100 million in one fight with Floyd!  So you’re telling me that if a fight with Joshua did $300 million plus the first fight, and then $300 million plus the rematch, Wilder should be content with a locked in value of $100 million as his cut? And then you add another fight to it that will basically be a slap in the face, a risk to the entire offer in and of itself, if Breazele had beaten Wilder? Breazele had only 1 loss to Joshua himself, and an impressive KO percentage in his own right. These are not two up and comers anymore.. Joshua and Wilder they are BOTH the face of boxing in the Heavyweight division. The two most recognized names at Heavyweight, all the belts, and you want to lowball the guy with the better record and KO percentage? Foh.. Fury was a tougher fight than Klitchko. Klitchko was at the end of his career, and a shell of his former self, yet he still managed to have Joshua out on his feet. Joshua scraped by in that fight and got lucky Klitchko didn’t have the gas tank he had in his younger years to close the show once he had him finished. 

 

Joshua, and especially his handler Hearn, are both afraid of the KO. They fear Wilder’s right hand might collapse the London Bridge that Hearn has been benefiting from all these years.. London bridge is afraid of falling down. Wilder would KO Joshua. Joshua himself has been quoted as saying he’s afraid of being KO’d.. he’s already spoken it into existence by giving it power. He’s afraid of Wilder. Wilder is a KO personified.. 

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Thread title is definitely how it should be.
5/26/19 10:01 PM
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KnockoutThoughts -
ChimpFL -

Wilder will flatline Joshua. 

. This! Joshua and Hearn have been and will continue to make disrespectful offers that they know no one would accept, for the sole purpose of saving face and claiming they made offers. The guy above, Ecky, claiming DAZN offered Wilder $100 million for 3 fights obviously doesn’t know how much this fight will generate. The two best heavyweights, both undefeated, in a fight that will easily do record #’s? You want to offer a man at the summit of the fight mountain pennies on the dollar? I mean Conor made $100 million in one fight with Floyd!  So you’re telling me that if a fight with Joshua did $300 million plus the first fight, and then $300 million plus the rematch, Wilder should be content with a locked in value of $100 million as his cut? And then you add another fight to it that will basically be a slap in the face, a risk to the entire offer in and of itself, if Breazele had beaten Wilder? Breazele had only 1 loss to Joshua himself, and an impressive KO percentage in his own right. These are not two up and comers anymore.. Joshua and Wilder they are BOTH the face of boxing in the Heavyweight division. The two most recognized names at Heavyweight, all the belts, and you want to lowball the guy with the better record and KO percentage? Foh.. Fury was a tougher fight than Klitchko. Klitchko was at the end of his career, and a shell of his former self, yet he still managed to have Joshua out on his feet. Joshua scraped by in that fight and got lucky Klitchko didn’t have the gas tank he had in his younger years to close the show once he had him finished. 

 

Joshua, and especially his handler Hearn, are both afraid of the KO. They fear Wilder’s right hand might collapse the London Bridge that Hearn has been benefiting from all these years.. London bridge is afraid of falling down. Wilder would KO Joshua. Joshua himself has been quoted as saying he’s afraid of being KO’d.. he’s already spoken it into existence by giving it power. He’s afraid of Wilder. Wilder is a KO personified.. 

100 percent agree and so should anyone at all familiar with the situation.

5/26/19 10:07 PM
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If Wilder beats Joshua he deserves to pull the biggest fu to whomever whenever

6/1/19 11:36 PM
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LordSeano - Lol at this shit

AJ is an Olympic gold medalist and has had 22 fights and has beaten Povetkin, Parker, Klitschko, Takam, Whyte

Wilderis an Olympic bronze medalist and has 42 fights with his biggest wins over Arreola and Luis rOrtiz and a draw against a semi retired Fury

By 28 fights Wilder’s biggest victory was Fraudley......

They have two common opponents Molina who AJ starched much faster than Wilder and Brezake who Wilder starched much faster

AAAAAA.........HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

6/1/19 11:37 PM
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And it all makes sense now. AJ def should have fought Fury or Wilder when he had the chance, but it's clear to see why he didn't. hahahaha

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