UnderGround Forums Wrestling should it be banned from UFC ?

13 days ago
5/13/13
Posts: 1884

OP, are you fucking retarded?

 

"Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons."

Yep, you're fucking retarded. Ground striking removes BJJ weapons? 

 

Go watch matbattle you faggot.

13 days ago
4/25/11
Posts: 3782

Stupid ...    Do you not see the difficulty in holding someone down against their will, who has trained in some cases since they were small children,  to avoid being taken down, to avoid being held down, to be able to get back up in case they are taken down? An opponent who knows what's coming and has trained for months with people brought in to specifically mimic that style, and is still helpless to avoid it? That is impressive. 

13 days ago
1/4/11
Posts: 1899
williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.


Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>


The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.

Knees in north south position?

13 days ago
1/22/14
Posts: 887

poirier was reduced to tears because he knew there is no way he is ever going to be champion...

and poirer is a bad man...

but totally helpless against the bst martial art on the planet...

 

and here is the deal...

 

khabib is not even a real wrestler...

 

if MMA ever was big enough to get the athletes that are involved in international wrestling before they are past their prime, all the forum nerds would lose their damn minds...

most of you have no clue what is really out there...

13 days ago
1/22/14
Posts: 888
mixjitsu -
williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.


Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>


The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.

Knees in north south position?

would not have helped poirier at all tonight...

13 days ago
6/30/11
Posts: 22848

They already banned chair shots to the head, what next, no kicking out of chokeslams?

13 days ago
1/4/11
Posts: 1900
LJB -
mixjitsu -
williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.


Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>


The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.

Knees in north south position?

would not have helped poirier at all tonight...

I'm talking for wrestlers

13 days ago
8/5/13
Posts: 4690

Op saviors cock like a fine wine.

13 days ago
6/14/12
Posts: 3326
StretchPlum - Any time kickboxing has been on tv no one watches.

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13 days ago
5/30/10
Posts: 970
cantuna4u -

Stupid ...    Do you not see the difficulty in holding someone down against their will, who has trained in some cases since they were small children,  to avoid being taken down, to avoid being held down, to be able to get back up in case they are taken down? An opponent who knows what's coming and has trained for months with people brought in to specifically mimic that style, and is still helpless to avoid it? That is impressive. 

That's only impressive if the positional control is used to set up a submission.

13 days ago
5/30/10
Posts: 971
shawarma -

Your thread title and actual comment are not really connected. 

 

Of course wrestling shouldn't be banned. 

 

Introduction of rules to make people rush and take more risks would be welcome however. The same way people say 'watch boxing or kickboxing' you can say 'watch wrestling or BJJ' to those that don't mind a 14  minute positional grappling exchange in a 15 minute fight. 

 

People want to watch mixed martial arts not a single discipline. If you can't do damage or go for something in less than a minute you should be stood up. If you can't get a takedown against the cage after hugging a while you should be separated. 

A sense of urgency will help the sport and the fighters get more money. Nobody watches boxing for a hug fest and they separate them. 

 

It is illogical to not encourage action via strikes or sub attempts during a grappling exchange. You fail you try again. Not you fail but take your time maybe after 3.5 minutes you will pass guard and maybe attempt a strike or sub. 

 

Yellow cards were a good thing back in pride (albeit a dreadful penalty to a fighter). Perhaps a point deduction is good. 

 

The objective for a fan is to see a clear winner in a fight. That can only be enhanced by making grapple-heavy fighters go for GNP and subs. It isn't a pure striking sport nor a pure grappling sport. So some compromise is needed in the ruleset to avoid a scenario where frequent takedowns win a decision without much damage to a fighter. 

Excellent post. A bit tired of the dogpiling when any on is critical of wrestling.

12 days ago
7/2/07
Posts: 13889
A few posters have responded commenting on the Khabib fight or claiming OP is upset because Dustin lost. This is not accurate.


Khabib is a student of Sambo.




Finally got to watch the first round of yesterday's fight and as a fellow Sambo club champion I am very proud of what Khabib accomplished in round 1. A very nice active, pressuring, yet flowing style.

12 days ago
5/30/15
Posts: 2454

Huh? 

12 days ago
10/11/18
Posts: 1105
williepep - Should the rules be modified to lessen the impact or use of certain aspects of wrestling in the UFC ?


While the current rule set does create an environment where the use of wrestling can lead to championships it also sets the table for boring fights.


Should the UFC be made more fan friendly and create exciting fights by modifying the rules ?

There's GLORY, Lionfights,KOK and other Kickboxing leagues. Watch them.
12 days ago
6/8/08
Posts: 12523
sho0ok -

Lol you noob...it's called MMA.

Very few belts in UFC are with pure wrestlers.

You just mad that khabib won.

Maybe OP is no noob, maybe you are?

 

This already HAS happened. 

Wrestling and BJJ already did get cut back. You see standups, so if you're going to say "noob" and "mma", then you don't know how it all started. For fuck's sake, we even got standups out of sidemount.

Rounds: Didnt exist and were a clear advantage for grapplers. No clock will let you stand up and catch your breath, after being blanket fucked for 3 straight minutes. 

Then let's go further down the "MMA, you noob" line. Muay Thai: Elbows: Not all of them are allowed (12-6). Knees on the ground (if you want to fit that in MT): Very restricting rules. Kicks on the ground: Same thing. 

 

So dial it back a bit. Modern MMA has had SEVERE restrictions done, all so that the real noobs like you, would find it enjoayble. 

12 days ago
10/26/05
Posts: 4430
Average -
sho0ok -

Lol you noob...it's called MMA.

Very few belts in UFC are with pure wrestlers.

You just mad that khabib won.

Maybe OP is no noob, maybe you are?

 

This already HAS happened. 

Wrestling and BJJ already did get cut back. You see standups, so if you're going to say "noob" and "mma", then you don't know how it all started. For fuck's sake, we even got standups out of sidemount.

Rounds: Didnt exist and were a clear advantage for grapplers. No clock will let you stand up and catch your breath, after being blanket fucked for 3 straight minutes. 

Then let's go further down the "MMA, you noob" line. Muay Thai: Elbows: Not all of them are allowed (12-6). Knees on the ground (if you want to fit that in MT): Very restricting rules. Kicks on the ground: Same thing. 

 

So dial it back a bit. Modern MMA has had SEVERE restrictions done, all so that the real noobs like you, would find it enjoayble. 

Actually it's so it could be sanctioned... Get your facts straight. 

12 days ago
9/7/19
Posts: 1

wrestling is mad boring tho

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 108930

'For example little harder to use some of the wrestling rides if the guy on bottom can use 12-6 elbows. Being in someone's guard suddenly becomes more dangerous rather than being an advantageous striking top ride postition.' 

 

The guy on the bottom/in guard can strike with the point of the elbow as they aren't 12 to 6 (usually 9 to 3).

12 days ago
6/8/08
Posts: 12524
chupecabre -
Average -
sho0ok -

Lol you noob...it's called MMA.

Very few belts in UFC are with pure wrestlers.

You just mad that khabib won.

Maybe OP is no noob, maybe you are?

 

This already HAS happened. 

Wrestling and BJJ already did get cut back. You see standups, so if you're going to say "noob" and "mma", then you don't know how it all started. For fuck's sake, we even got standups out of sidemount.

Rounds: Didnt exist and were a clear advantage for grapplers. No clock will let you stand up and catch your breath, after being blanket fucked for 3 straight minutes. 

Then let's go further down the "MMA, you noob" line. Muay Thai: Elbows: Not all of them are allowed (12-6). Knees on the ground (if you want to fit that in MT): Very restricting rules. Kicks on the ground: Same thing. 

 

So dial it back a bit. Modern MMA has had SEVERE restrictions done, all so that the real noobs like you, would find it enjoayble. 

Actually it's so it could be sanctioned... Get your facts straight. 

Not all of it. Get yours straight too, but I'll agree partially with you. 

 

12 days ago
7/10/12
Posts: 6255
williepep - Should the rules be modified to lessen the impact or use of certain aspects of wrestling in the UFC ?


While the current rule set does create an environment where the use of wrestling can lead to championships it also sets the table for boring fights.


Should the UFC be made more fan friendly and create exciting fights by modifying the rules ?

No wrestling shouldn’t be banned that’s ridiculous

Knees/ head kicks to downed opponent would mix it up a bit (both in favor of sprawl n brawlers but also potentially wrestlers)

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 46811
williepep - A few posters have responded commenting on the Khabib fight or claiming OP is upset because Dustin lost. This is not accurate.


Khabib is a student of Sambo.




Finally got to watch the first round of yesterday's fight and as a fellow Sambo club champion I am very proud of what Khabib accomplished in round 1. A very nice active, pressuring, yet flowing style.

ur a sambo champ ?? show proof nobody believes u..waits for excuse

12 days ago
1/1/01
Posts: 46812
sickminds443 -

wrestling is mad boring tho

opinions vary

12 days ago
3/26/13
Posts: 20
williepep - Should the rules be modified to lessen the impact or use of certain aspects of wrestling in the UFC ?


While the current rule set does create an environment where the use of wrestling can lead to championships it also sets the table for boring fights.


Should the UFC be made more fan friendly and create exciting fights by modifying the rules ?

Please just watch boxing and kick boxing

12 days ago
11/10/05
Posts: 7462
Chaddderz - 

Only thing I'd like to see is no more cage wrestling. Effective but not aesthetic. I'd like a much bigger ring or something that prevents wall wrestling but I can't see it happening.


Interesting idea but if you look at the old WEC, they had a smaller cage and high action fights.

I'd be interested in seeing a 10 min first round.

12 days ago
9/19/13
Posts: 5975

OP should be banned from posting