UnderGround Forums Wrestling should it be banned from UFC ?

9/14/19 9:45 AM
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Winston Wolf - 
Sprawl'n'Stall - Hard to know how trolling or not is going on here. But a reason wrestling can piss fans off is that because it neutralized the other guy's offense unless he's a great sub guy from his back.

I mean good striking and sub games are back and forth, and even with good defense, the other dude can mount some offense, especially striking.

While if you take a guy down and lay & pray, or wall & stall, it becomes one sided, or neutralized for both. Few people dislike takedowns, slams, and all.

so many wrestlers incorperate BJJ and ground and pound id say almost every single wrestler in UFC has good solid BJJ on the ground


In The UFC? Of course. But most use BJJ defensively.

Look, I'm NOT the one hating on wrestling! Great martial arts, and one that allows you to dictate where the fight goes, allows you to hit while taking next to no damage? Smart smart to use for those who are trained in it. And there's the grit, metal toughness and hellish pace most wrestlers possess.

My point was just that people like excitement, danger, thrills, adrenaline. When two guys can mount offense, the pace is higher, there's space between the two opponents, it's just more exciting than a guy being controlled on the ground or against the cage.
9/14/19 10:08 AM
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Slowshot -
Shugum - 

The current rules favor the wrestler. Pride did it right w yellow cards for stalling and soccer kicks to grounded opponents


Wrestling is the best art.

Add soccer kicks. Add knees to the head of a downed opponent. Allow 12-6 elbows. Allow headbutts.

If you think opening up the rules is going to make wrestlers LESS effective, you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

You suddenly make the snapdown and front headlock game viable paths to victory for wrestlers

Soccer kicks to a downed opponent would be a nice change and make the lay and pray guys pay dearly for trying to hug it out for 15 min. Everyone’s giving op shit but there are some incredibly boring fights sometimes. I never wrestled and don’t get the appeal of two sweaty men grabbing each other so to me it won’t matter to see bums like fitch, shields and others like them go sell kitchen appliances or something. 

9/14/19 10:09 AM
9/13/18
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If you ban wrestling, then you have to ban BJJ, once you ban those two.. All you have left is kickboxing.. Just like others have said, maybe you should switch sports. MMA is great just the way it is. 

9/14/19 10:58 AM
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Sprawl'n'Stall -
Winston Wolf - 
Sprawl'n'Stall - Hard to know how trolling or not is going on here. But a reason wrestling can piss fans off is that because it neutralized the other guy's offense unless he's a great sub guy from his back.

I mean good striking and sub games are back and forth, and even with good defense, the other dude can mount some offense, especially striking.

While if you take a guy down and lay & pray, or wall & stall, it becomes one sided, or neutralized for both. Few people dislike takedowns, slams, and all.

so many wrestlers incorperate BJJ and ground and pound id say almost every single wrestler in UFC has good solid BJJ on the ground


In The UFC? Of course. But most use BJJ defensively.

Look, I'm NOT the one hating on wrestling! Great martial arts, and one that allows you to dictate where the fight goes, allows you to hit while taking next to no damage? Smart smart to use for those who are trained in it. And there's the grit, metal toughness and hellish pace most wrestlers possess.

My point was just that people like excitement, danger, thrills, adrenaline. When two guys can mount offense, the pace is higher, there's space between the two opponents, it's just more exciting than a guy being controlled on the ground or against the cage.

a lot of wrestlers ive trained with ( 7 years at Serras ) develpoed agressivve and effective attacks Any UFC caliber wrestler has solid BJJ and some have used it for subs like Matt Hughes GSP Jon Jones DC all have had MANY submission wins

29 days ago
3/29/13
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Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

29 days ago
7/30/03
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Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

Your posts have a lot of sexual undertones. I think you need to see a psychologist about this. “Growth”, “jump another guy”, “fag sport”... I think what you are experiencing when watching the UFC is sexual frustration with perhaps some self hatred for being gay. Get it checked out dude. 

27 days ago
7/2/07
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Swamp Donkey - 

If you ban wrestling, then you have to ban BJJ, once you ban those two.. All you have left is kickboxing.. Just like others have said, maybe you should switch sports. MMA is great just the way it is. 


This not correct and we are not even talking about subtle differences

27 days ago
4/23/02
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hey willie Pat Mineo says hi

 

you friggin loser!

27 days ago
1/1/01
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Bring back heatbuts and knees on downed opponents. That would make wrestlers more entertaining.

Taking away even more weapons? Hell no. They already get stood up for stalling and broken up for hugging at cage.

27 days ago
3/29/13
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Calhoon -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

Your posts have a lot of sexual undertones. I think you need to see a psychologist about this. “Growth”, “jump another guy”, “fag sport”... I think what you are experiencing when watching the UFC is sexual frustration with perhaps some self hatred for being gay. Get it checked out dude. 

If you wanna suck my dick dm me faggot

27 days ago
1/22/14
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KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Calhoon -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

Your posts have a lot of sexual undertones. I think you need to see a psychologist about this. “Growth”, “jump another guy”, “fag sport”... I think what you are experiencing when watching the UFC is sexual frustration with perhaps some self hatred for being gay. Get it checked out dude. 

If you wanna suck my dick dm me faggot

someone's mother is so proud right now...

27 days ago
7/2/07
Posts: 13953
Alex101 - 

Bring back heatbuts and knees on downed opponents. That would make wrestlers more entertaining.

Taking away even more weapons? Hell no. They already get stood up for stalling and broken up for hugging at cage.


This changes the dynamic and can be an advantage for both parties
27 days ago
7/2/07
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Pretjah - 

hey willie Pat Mineo says hi

 

you friggin loser!


This is a good thing right ?
26 days ago
11/26/16
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Just add knees to the head of a grounded opponent to negate the wrestling.

26 days ago
3/29/13
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LJB -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Calhoon -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

Your posts have a lot of sexual undertones. I think you need to see a psychologist about this. “Growth”, “jump another guy”, “fag sport”... I think what you are experiencing when watching the UFC is sexual frustration with perhaps some self hatred for being gay. Get it checked out dude. 

If you wanna suck my dick dm me faggot

someone's mother is so proud right now...

Proud seeing your mother so happy with me

26 days ago
1/22/14
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KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
LJB -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Calhoon -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Dogman -
KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -

I agree with op, wrestling is a fag sport

What a dumb ass, fuckhole like you are bad for the sport!!!

No people like you are bad for the "sport" let's go waste $60 to watch a guy jump another guys leg! Yeah that's real good for growth

Your posts have a lot of sexual undertones. I think you need to see a psychologist about this. “Growth”, “jump another guy”, “fag sport”... I think what you are experiencing when watching the UFC is sexual frustration with perhaps some self hatred for being gay. Get it checked out dude. 

If you wanna suck my dick dm me faggot

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Proud seeing your mother so happy with me

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23 days ago
7/2/07
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One thing not discussed is techniques that are not allows that help combat wrestling. Again the rules are stacked in favor of wrestling.


For example small joint manipulation including Akiwaza techniques
23 days ago
1/1/01
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The Lion King -

Casuals are gaining an appreciation for wrestling.

Another reason Conor is so awesome: all these butt-hurt jealous haters have no choice but to dick ride Khabib and appreciate his wrestling in order to hate on Conor’s greatness. 

Conor has single handedly made casuals appreciate wrestling/grappling. GOAT

can u post without saying ur heroes name ?? and use one screen name

23 days ago
4/18/19
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What an idiot. 

 

Anything goes except death inducing blows to top of head with elbows or head stomps/bicycle head kicks 

22 days ago
7/2/07
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Look at the wrestling thread about the Worlds.


Even on it people are debating rule sets instituted to make the sport of wrestling more fan friendly aka more exciting.

Edited: 22 days ago
1/1/01
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do the sport of wrestling and mma a favor and dont watch ..

22 days ago
7/2/07
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Winston Wolf - 

do the sport of wrestling and mma a favor and dont watch ..


You are very pushy and opinionated.


Are you upper East coast by any chance ?


18 days ago
7/2/07
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Is it significant the most recent wrestler signed by the UFC is a Greco medalist and specialist ?

Rather than a folk style or free style wrestler which lends itself to some of the lay and pray style of fights.

Greco as it relates to MMA is a much more exciting and fan friendly style of wrestling to include in the UFC.


Sounds like the UFC may be listening.
18 days ago
3/29/13
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Winston Wolf -

do the sport of wrestling and mma a favor and dont watch ..

Wrestling is a game not a sport

18 days ago
1/1/01
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KaepernicksTheAppleOfMyEye -
Winston Wolf -

do the sport of wrestling and mma a favor and dont watch ..

Wrestling is a game not a sport

u are an idiot Please do not ever adress me again and Ill go back to not knowing u exist