UnderGround Forums khabib has the greatest undefeated streak in mma

8 days ago
1/24/17
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TheDecider -
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MrColdCock - 

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.


This is well thought out, but in no way is Poirier comparable to Crocop. Fedor fought guys who will end up in the top ten MMA fighters OF ALL TIME. Khabib hasn't fought anyone like that.

Your only problem in this thread is going too hard.  I agree Khabib has just begun to build an impressive resume as most of his wins are over journeymen.  The Conor and Poirier wins we’re huge for him obviously.

At this point Tony has the more impressive list of wins and the coming showdown will determine the best lw we have seen.

 

For khabib to get into the GOAT discussion with GSP, Fedor, and Jones he needs to beat Tony and at least one more signature win.

khabib has RDA and Iaquinta as top wins, not to mention a win over johnson, who is the last guy ferguson lost to

also barboza

8 days ago
7/8/02
Posts: 7218
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

7 days ago
1/24/17
Posts: 3507
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.

7 days ago
8/15/07
Posts: 16992
The Immortal One - 
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.


You have to stop saying "best opponent available." This is incorrect. You have to fight the best opponent period. If you're in a weak division, that sucks for you, but your legacy simply isn't going to stand the test of time.

Fedor, while mixing in some cans, fought enough legit greats and solid fighters than the cans don't matter very much in the grand scheme of things.

When you're Stipe and DC fighting the HW division of today, well--the competition just isn't there.
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8/15/07
Posts: 16993
Hate420 - 
Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

So much retardation in 1 post, holy fuck your stupid kid.


You know, I remember when people on this forum actually knew about MMA. Have you considered taking up tennis?
7 days ago
8/15/07
Posts: 16994
Herring in a Fur Coat - 
Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

Saying Dustin has no ground game automatically discredits the rest of your post...

Other than Ferguson, Khabib cleared out the division. Who should he fight to earn your respect?

He doesn't have a ground game. Ryan Hall has a ground game. Khabib has a ground game. Nate Diaz has a ground game.

Dustin does not.

I'd be fine with Khabib fighting Ferguson, Gillespie, or moving up to 170lbs. Or even a rematch with full camp Iaquinta.
7 days ago
8/15/07
Posts: 16995
The Immortal One - 
Soul Gravy -
DamnSevern - 
Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.
7 days ago
7/8/02
Posts: 7226
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.

Fedor beat more fighters, more high ranked fighters. He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round).

That’s a better win streak buddy. 

7 days ago
4/27/08
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Pretty sure Fedor lost the first round to Rogers.
7 days ago
1/24/17
Posts: 3508
Soul Gravy -
The Immortal One - 
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.


You have to stop saying "best opponent available." This is incorrect. You have to fight the best opponent period. If you're in a weak division, that sucks for you, but your legacy simply isn't going to stand the test of time.

Fedor, while mixing in some cans, fought enough legit greats and solid fighters than the cans don't matter very much in the grand scheme of things.

When you're Stipe and DC fighting the HW division of today, well--the competition just isn't there.

Really, you want to go there? Sure.

Prime JDS and Prime Cain alone would have decimated every single HW in Pride.

Big Nog had subpar takedowns, let's be honest. He would have gotten shrugged off by Cain and JDS every time he tried to take them down. He had good boxing, but his power wasn't there at all, Cain and JDS would have hurt him on the feet to winning a dominant decision or TKO finish.

DC himself is more well rounded than any of the top HWs in Pride at their best.

Then you have guys like Ngannou who are dangerous strikers, super athletes and incredibly difficult to take down and hold down.

Then you have the HW version of Overeem, who is a solid HW and has a shot at beating pride's best too

Volkov, Blaydes, etc. Even in Bellator you have solid HWs like Minakov.

Imagine if prime gonzaga didn't decimate prime cro cop back in 2007, then pride hipsters like you would have laughed off guys like Gonzaga back then and today. Thank god they got to fight, lol

7 days ago
1/24/17
Posts: 3509
Soul Gravy -
The Immortal One - 
Soul Gravy -
DamnSevern - 
Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 

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1/24/17
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MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.

Fedor beat more fighters, more high ranked fighters. He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round).

That’s a better win streak buddy. 

"Fedor beat more fighters"

Because he inflated his record with guys like Hong Man Choi and Zulu even AFTER he became world champ.

"more high ranked fighters".

Hmm, I'm not convinced, you're gonna have to go back and do a whole ranking breakdown on that one. Especially with Fedor wasting his time fighting zulu, lindland, hong man choi, etc. Khabib has beaten plenty of high ranked fighters at this point.

"He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round)"

What defines higher quality? Well rounded fighters like hong man choi, brett rogers, zulu, ogawa, 2006 version of mark hunt, and 41 year old, one dimensional mark coleman in 2006? All of these guys he fought AFTER winning the world title, lol.

lol c'mon man. All I have to do is lay out the facts for you each time.

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1/24/17
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Herring in a Fur Coat - Pretty sure Fedor lost the first round to Rogers.

Fedor definitely failed 3 sub attempts on a white belt who was new to grappling, and was in trouble when he was getting ground and pounded with big shots on the ground. Rogers had no prior wrestling or grappling experience and fedor was struggling with him on the ground big time.

If that was brock lesnar (the guy that fedor's team avoided to fight rogers instead), they would have had to call the police on lesnar in the middle of the fight, if that fight happened in ufc 103 like it was supposed to.

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1/23/06
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Not the greatest. I'll take Askren's 19 fight win streak as the best, most excellent. Includes victories over 8 current/former world champions.

Aoki, Lawler, Thompson, Good, Suzuki, Koreshkov, Lima, Kadestam.

Undefeated 9-0-1 in title fights.

Bellator title defense record holder.

Fedor had bigger wins, Askren had many more world title bouts/defenses.

Ben fought better overall talent than Khabib thus far. Difficult to dispute, but I welcome any attempts.

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11/17/10
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StretchPlum -
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Dravenlives -
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What elite fighters has he beat?

 

If he destroys Tony then fair enough

you damn well know he has beaten elite fighters dont be silly

Name them....

I know,we can write a list so you can tell us how world class fighters are bums


Not bums, but a number of guys he has fought in the major leagues have 10+ losses.

tony's most recent fight/win was against a guy with 11 losses and that just happened

lots of guys tony beat have 8-9 losses..what does this even mean

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7/8/02
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The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -
The Immortal One -
MrColdCock -

OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.

Fedor beat more fighters, more high ranked fighters. He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round).

That’s a better win streak buddy. 

"Fedor beat more fighters"

Because he inflated his record with guys like Hong Man Choi and Zulu even AFTER he became world champ.

"more high ranked fighters".

Hmm, I'm not convinced, you're gonna have to go back and do a whole ranking breakdown on that one. Especially with Fedor wasting his time fighting zulu, lindland, hong man choi, etc. Khabib has beaten plenty of high ranked fighters at this point.

"He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round)"

What defines higher quality? Well rounded fighters like hong man choi, brett rogers, zulu, ogawa, 2006 version of mark hunt, and 41 year old, one dimensional mark coleman in 2006? All of these guys he fought AFTER winning the world title, lol.

lol c'mon man. All I have to do is lay out the facts for you each time.

“All I have to do is lay out the facts for you each time.”

Haha. Yet in the exact same post you also said:

“Hmm, I'm not convinced, you're gonna have to go back and do a whole ranking breakdown on that one.”

So you don’t know the facts. And at the same time you’re asking me for the facts. Fact. Fedor beat more top 10 fighters than Khabib. It’s a fact dude. Just because you are ignorant on the topic doesn’t mean it’s not a fact. It means you should STFU and learn about the sport.

 

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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 

Something else you need to also understand. 155’ers have always and will always be more well rounded than HWs. So comparing skill sets is an exercise in futility. Quality of opponent has to be measured by their success against their peers.

Nog had a much better skill set relative to his peers than RDA and Poirier. He also had far more success and was a better fighter in his prime. Again. Relative to other HWs. Then or now.

Cro Cop was a much better striker than both of them. Had better TDD, better footwork. Who was a better fighter? It’s debatable for sure. All won championships and were top 3 fighters. Personally if I’m taking one fighter of the three to beat the GOAT of their weightclass. I’m taking Cro Cop.

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OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.


You have to stop saying "best opponent available." This is incorrect. You have to fight the best opponent period. If you're in a weak division, that sucks for you, but your legacy simply isn't going to stand the test of time.

Fedor, while mixing in some cans, fought enough legit greats and solid fighters than the cans don't matter very much in the grand scheme of things.

When you're Stipe and DC fighting the HW division of today, well--the competition just isn't there.

Really, you want to go there? Sure.

Prime JDS and Prime Cain alone would have decimated every single HW in Pride.

Big Nog had subpar takedowns, let's be honest. He would have gotten shrugged off by Cain and JDS every time he tried to take them down. He had good boxing, but his power wasn't there at all, Cain and JDS would have hurt him on the feet to winning a dominant decision or TKO finish.

DC himself is more well rounded than any of the top HWs in Pride at their best.

Then you have guys like Ngannou who are dangerous strikers, super athletes and incredibly difficult to take down and hold down.

Then you have the HW version of Overeem, who is a solid HW and has a shot at beating pride's best too

Volkov, Blaydes, etc. Even in Bellator you have solid HWs like Minakov.

Imagine if prime gonzaga didn't decimate prime cro cop back in 2007, then pride hipsters like you would have laughed off guys like Gonzaga back then and today. Thank god they got to fight, lol


Prime Cain is one of the biggest myths in MMA. JDS is only a little better. They'd have mixed it up with Pride's heavies, but neither would have shown dominance over the division.

Side note: JDS's striking has always been overrated.

Nog's takedowns sucked. But he could weather the storm until he finally managed to get one. If Crocop didn't KO Nog, neither Cain nor JDS would have.

DC is by far the best HW in UFC right now. And it's a long way down to number 2 (Stipe). And then a whole lot farther down to get to the next guys.

Ngannou, Blaydes, and Volkov--these guys are not elite level.

Overeem has a glass chin and several lapses in MMA IQ. He's an interesting character in MMA history, mostly due to the guys he fought at lower weights and then his sudden increase in size. He's not going to be on any top 10 lists.

The only thing history will remember Gonzaga for, if it manages to do even that, is his win over at out-of-prime Crocop. Otherwise, he's not even a footnote in the history of MMA.
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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 


There is no evolution of the sport. The only skill of three of the top five heavies right now is being big and throwing haymakers.

Mino's boxing has always been lacking. I don't know why it's always been rated so highly. His durability and submission games, however, were top notch.

Crocop was known for his takedown defense and his difficulty to keep down.

Poirier and RDA are not more well-rounded. Poirier has no ground game and RDA fights like a retard most of the time.

If anything, the examples you're providing just underscore the lack of evolution in the sport.
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OP has spent the last couple years of his life trashing Fedor and other Pride fighters only to learn what Fedor did was damn impressive

Khabib’s top 10 wins

Poirer/Conor/RDA/Barboza/Johnson/Iaquinta/

Tibau/Tavares/Trujillo/Healy

Fedor’s top 10:

Nog1/Nog2/Cro Cop/Arlovski/Sylvia/Herring

/Randleman/Coleman/Hunt/Schilt 

Khabib’s list is missing Shalarous and Horcher

Fedor’s list is missing top 10 fighters Fujita and Rogers, not to mention TK, Arona, Lindland, a second Coleman win, Goodridge, Babalu (yet gets shit on because he fought freak shows that outweighed him by 150 lbs- sign here if you’d like to see Khabib vs a 300lb’er ha)

Point is, if your way of analyzing fighters (past or present) is to shit on them, you not only disrespect the sport, but you also set yourself up to look like a damn fool in the future.

Khabib is damn impressive. He just beat his toughest challenge in one of his most dominant wins. Poirer is his Cro Cop. A destroyer when he’s on, but has had a few setbacks. He needs the Nog win and that’s Ferguson. A perennial top 3 guy who never has a bad performance. A guy who if Khabib wasn’t around would be a long time champ and recognized as the best LW ever.

I'm so glad you brought this up, buddy.

Starting in 2007 (and even his fight against zulu in 2005 to be honest), Fedor did not fight the best consistently. He inflated his record with easy gimme fights, mixed in with top opponents, of course.

Khabib never had this luxury. After he came to the UFC, he never avoided anyone. He fought the NEXT BEST AVAILABLE OPPONENT every single time.

Khabib is not going to One FC and fighting a blown up bantamweight to inflate his record, lol. He's gonna fight Tony or someone close to that level in his next fight. Only the best.

So the most important part of a win streak is not the quality of the wins or the rankings of your opponents. It’s the order of which you beat them?

Immortal One strikes again with his ass backwards criteria.

The most important part of a win streak is whether or not you faced the best opponent available to you at each given time.

Fedor simply did not do that. You can't be fighting ZULU after you won the world title lmao. That's called inflating your record.

If you're choosing to fight Brett Rogers over Brock Lesnar when you supposed to be the BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD, I'm sorry. You can't keep being called the #1 heavyweight at that point, and it lowers the value of your win streak.

Fedor beat more fighters, more high ranked fighters. He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round).

That’s a better win streak buddy. 

"Fedor beat more fighters"

Because he inflated his record with guys like Hong Man Choi and Zulu even AFTER he became world champ.

"more high ranked fighters".

Hmm, I'm not convinced, you're gonna have to go back and do a whole ranking breakdown on that one. Especially with Fedor wasting his time fighting zulu, lindland, hong man choi, etc. Khabib has beaten plenty of high ranked fighters at this point.

"He beat higher quality fighters. And he won more impressively (never lost a round)"

What defines higher quality? Well rounded fighters like hong man choi, brett rogers, zulu, ogawa, 2006 version of mark hunt, and 41 year old, one dimensional mark coleman in 2006? All of these guys he fought AFTER winning the world title, lol.

lol c'mon man. All I have to do is lay out the facts for you each time.

“All I have to do is lay out the facts for you each time.”

Haha. Yet in the exact same post you also said:

“Hmm, I'm not convinced, you're gonna have to go back and do a whole ranking breakdown on that one.”

So you don’t know the facts. And at the same time you’re asking me for the facts. Fact. Fedor beat more top 10 fighters than Khabib. It’s a fact dude. Just because you are ignorant on the topic doesn’t mean it’s not a fact. It means you should STFU and learn about the sport.

 

I highly doubt you know the exact ranking number of every single top ten fighter that fedor beat without looking it up, ya fucking dummy. Obviously, that's what I meant.

So who are the top 10 fighters that fedor beat and who are the top ten fighters that khabib beat? What website are you using the rankings for?

Lay it out.

 

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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 


There is no evolution of the sport. The only skill of three of the top five heavies right now is being big and throwing haymakers.

Mino's boxing has always been lacking. I don't know why it's always been rated so highly. His durability and submission games, however, were top notch.

Crocop was known for his takedown defense and his difficulty to keep down.

Poirier and RDA are not more well-rounded. Poirier has no ground game and RDA fights like a retard most of the time.

If anything, the examples you're providing just underscore the lack of evolution in the sport.

I agreed with some/most of first post.. Struggling with this one..Crocop had killer power in his strikes.. 

 

Poirier is really impressive in jiu jitsu, he has a black belt and has some slick sub wins.

RDA has a bunch of tools, talent and strength. My opinion with him is his coaching is a lot of the problem. 

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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 

Something else you need to also understand. 155’ers have always and will always be more well rounded than HWs. So comparing skill sets is an exercise in futility. Quality of opponent has to be measured by their success against their peers.

Nog had a much better skill set relative to his peers than RDA and Poirier. He also had far more success and was a better fighter in his prime. Again. Relative to other HWs. Then or now.

Cro Cop was a much better striker than both of them. Had better TDD, better footwork. Who was a better fighter? It’s debatable for sure. All won championships and were top 3 fighters. Personally if I’m taking one fighter of the three to beat the GOAT of their weightclass. I’m taking Cro Cop.

"155’ers have always and will always be more well rounded than HWs."

"Quality of opponent has to be measured by their success against their peers."

What if it's harder to attain success against their peers because fighters are much more well rounded at 155lbs these days than at HW, especially in the Pride era of HWs?? Because we both know all the one or zero dimensional fighters that nog and cro cop had a buffet on.

Look at all the well rounded monsters that RDA, Poirer, Barboza and even Conor has fought.

How many well rounded wins did Big Nog and Cro Cop have in Pride in comparison?

BOOOMMM!!!

 

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3/2/11
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The thing I love the most when people discuss Fedor's legacy is most people aren't taking into account that while still competing in mma fights regularly until around 2007 he was also competing in Sambo and some Judo tournaments.

 

Mixed in with him having to train for said fights/tournaments he never rested. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body so to stay so dominant in MMA while competing in other combat sports at the same time is what makes his run stand out to me.

Just my 2 cents though and I realize I'm not going to sway anyone's opinion on this matter as it's been argued for a decade now

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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 


There is no evolution of the sport. The only skill of three of the top five heavies right now is being big and throwing haymakers.

Mino's boxing has always been lacking. I don't know why it's always been rated so highly. His durability and submission games, however, were top notch.

Crocop was known for his takedown defense and his difficulty to keep down.

Poirier and RDA are not more well-rounded. Poirier has no ground game and RDA fights like a retard most of the time.

If anything, the examples you're providing just underscore the lack of evolution in the sport.

"There is no evolution of the sport."

lol Stopped reading right there.

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Soul Gravy - Khabib's UFC fights:

Kamal Shalorus - who?
Tibau - a fight many folks think Khabib lost
Thiago Tavares - not a contender
Abel Trujillo - not a contender
Pat Healy - who?
RDA - decent win
Darrell Horcher - who?
Michael Johnson - not a contender
Barboza - a whole lot of meh
Iaquinta - gave Khabib a hard time with pretty much no notice. Khabib's inability to finish him says more about Khabib than the victory itself.
Conor - has no ground game and has always been overrated
Dustin - has no ground game

RDA is actually the best win on Khabib's record, and he's still a fighter who shows up looking like a killer one night and a complete scrub the next.

absolute fucking twaddle from a muppet who has been posting here for 12 years.

 

Pathetic.


I'm sorry I know more about the sport than you.


















I'm not really sorry.

so what do you think about fedor's record?


His wins against Mino and Crocop are worth more than any of Khabib's wins.

His wins against Coleman, Randleman, Arlovski, Arona, and Herring are comparable to Khabib's wins over Conor, RDA, and Dustin.

If you take into consideration the actual evolution of the sport, then you are completely wrong.

Mino had no takedowns and lacked power in his hands until he improved his technique with Blackhouse and went to the UFC.

Cro Cop obviously had dangerous striking and good solid takedown defense, but he was also taken down many times too, and had little to nothing to offer on the ground in terms of submissions, scrambling ability and ability to get back to his feet.

They were the more well rounded guys of their era, so they dominated back then.

But guys like RDA and Poirier are more well rounded, period. Excellent wrestling/takedowns, excellent striking, excellent BJJ. Even Conor should be mentioned for his skills in this regard. They had all three at the top level. Cro Cop and Nog did not. Cro Cop and Nog were just more well rounded than everyone else at HW (besides Fedor) back in 2005.

 

Something else you need to also understand. 155’ers have always and will always be more well rounded than HWs. So comparing skill sets is an exercise in futility. Quality of opponent has to be measured by their success against their peers.

Nog had a much better skill set relative to his peers than RDA and Poirier. He also had far more success and was a better fighter in his prime. Again. Relative to other HWs. Then or now.

Cro Cop was a much better striker than both of them. Had better TDD, better footwork. Who was a better fighter? It’s debatable for sure. All won championships and were top 3 fighters. Personally if I’m taking one fighter of the three to beat the GOAT of their weightclass. I’m taking Cro Cop.

"155’ers have always and will always be more well rounded than HWs."

"Quality of opponent has to be measured by their success against their peers."

What if it's harder to attain success against their peers because fighters are much more well rounded at 155lbs these days than at HW, especially in the Pride era of HWs?? Because we both know all the one or zero dimensional fighters that nog and cro cop had a buffet on.

Look at all the well rounded monsters that RDA, Poirer, Barboza and even Conor has fought.

How many well rounded wins did Big Nog and Cro Cop have in Pride in comparison?

BOOOMMM!!!

 

LW is still infinitely more well rounded than HW. Or LHW, or MW or even WW for that matter. It’s the nature of weight classes. That’s why people value the term pound for pound. It give the lighter guys a way to compete with heavier guys. I mean how many HWs can you say we’re ever the #1 pound for pound fighter? It’s unheard of. Almost unprecedented. Oh wait. Fedor was for almost 9 years.

Khabib’s LW opponents are more well rounded than current HWs. But Khabib himself is a LW. So why would it be more impressive? That makes no sense.

A better argument would be saying Cro Cop would have beat the entire LW division in one night, so I guess Fedor beating him is more impressive. It’s a stupid rabbit hole your posts always go down.