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5/13/19 6:02 AM
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interesting show these ussr-usa match ups back in the day

both side's did not have their A-team fight here
but had many young guys

a couple of elite


the middle weight Viktor Savchenko
was a true elite,
world champ and twice medallist in olympics
a super hard puncher as you can see in this fight
that upper cut wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHV_IvXjs1I

his fight starts at 15:20



so if he turned pro
and got proper pro training


how much of a treat would he had been in that era?
5/20/19 4:23 AM
10/14/02
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RIAN_archive_497577_Boxer_Viktor_Savchenko.jpg
5/20/19 10:58 AM
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All the best Soviet’s would have been threats just like they are now and have been for the past couple decades.

Him, the heavyweight Igor Vysotsky in the 70s beat the great Cuban Teofilio Stevenson and would have undoubtedly been in the title picture as well. Along with countless other world class fighters. Shame we never saw those matchups.

5/20/19 3:43 PM
10/14/02
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All the best Soviet’s would have been threats just like they are now and have been for the past couple decades.

Him, the heavyweight Igor Vysotsky in the 70s beat the great Cuban Teofilio Stevenson and would have undoubtedly been in the title picture as well. Along with countless other world class fighters. Shame we never saw those matchups.


yeah thats true, the match ups would have been awesome...
interesting how for example

him vs hagler

vysotsky vs holmes

and so many more match ups

5/20/19 6:14 PM
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All the best Soviet’s would have been threats just like they are now and have been for the past couple decades.

Him, the heavyweight Igor Vysotsky in the 70s beat the great Cuban Teofilio Stevenson and would have undoubtedly been in the title picture as well. Along with countless other world class fighters. Shame we never saw those matchups.


yeah thats true, the match ups would have been awesome...
interesting how for example

him vs hagler

vysotsky vs holmes

and so many more match ups

Igor could have been the Frazier to Holmes Ali.

He did have a tendency to cut though which would have been a major problem in the pros, similar to many other eastern bloc fighters.

Thanks for the thread, I’m gonna go back tonight and watch some old school ammy boxing. The rule set back then made for so much better fights than todays amateur system.

5/20/19 9:57 PM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.

5/21/19 4:42 AM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.


i know loma's dad was always a big coach in ukraine/russia area and is pretty unique in training methods and if you want someone more similar to his style here is

viktor rybakov
euro champ, 3rd in olympics, was known to be a master of footwork and hard to trap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi0yiz91fE


and here Viktor Savchenko against jose gomez another hard hitter
they fought a bunch of times with both winning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_7V2ek8kE


5/21/19 10:24 AM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.


i know loma's dad was always a big coach in ukraine/russia area and is pretty unique in training methods and if you want someone more similar to his style here is

viktor rybakov
euro champ, 3rd in olympics, was known to be a master of footwork and hard to trap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi0yiz91fE


and here Viktor Savchenko against jose gomez another hard hitter
they fought a bunch of times with both winning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_7V2ek8kE


Wow Gomez was a beast, wasn’t expecting that. Dude was rangy as hell with dynamite in his hands, almost like a middleweight teofilo. 

Im watching him shellack Ramos right now. I wonder how many careers were derailed/ruined when the usually much younger Americans got the shit kicked out of them by the career amateur communists. Most of the team USA guys I’ve been watching I haven’t even heard of in the pros which is unusual considering they were the top ammys in America at that point. Got their chins cracked too young it looked like.

5/22/19 3:01 AM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.


i know loma's dad was always a big coach in ukraine/russia area and is pretty unique in training methods and if you want someone more similar to his style here is

viktor rybakov
euro champ, 3rd in olympics, was known to be a master of footwork and hard to trap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi0yiz91fE


and here Viktor Savchenko against jose gomez another hard hitter
they fought a bunch of times with both winning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_7V2ek8kE


Wow Gomez was a beast, wasn’t expecting that. Dude was rangy as hell with dynamite in his hands, almost like a middleweight teofilo. 

Im watching him shellack Ramos right now. I wonder how many careers were derailed/ruined when the usually much younger Americans got the shit kicked out of them by the career amateur communists. Most of the team USA guys I’ve been watching I haven’t even heard of in the pros which is unusual considering they were the top ammys in America at that point. Got their chins cracked too young it looked like.


yeah gomez was a beast but got dropped sometimes
but he could hit like a truck and good range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvYvHFfX8M
here is a sweet ko by him


and thats a good point you about the american fighters actually
but what needs to be mentioned as well is that things in the ussr were very political
it was not always the best guy who was on the national team



here is a crazy heavyweight they had in 80's
look how he moves and is so fluid
would have been real interesting in 80s heavyweight scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaVcg_YvIM8&t=289s

Yakovlev fight starts around 27 min mark
5/22/19 10:22 AM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.


i know loma's dad was always a big coach in ukraine/russia area and is pretty unique in training methods and if you want someone more similar to his style here is

viktor rybakov
euro champ, 3rd in olympics, was known to be a master of footwork and hard to trap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi0yiz91fE


and here Viktor Savchenko against jose gomez another hard hitter
they fought a bunch of times with both winning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_7V2ek8kE


Wow Gomez was a beast, wasn’t expecting that. Dude was rangy as hell with dynamite in his hands, almost like a middleweight teofilo. 

Im watching him shellack Ramos right now. I wonder how many careers were derailed/ruined when the usually much younger Americans got the shit kicked out of them by the career amateur communists. Most of the team USA guys I’ve been watching I haven’t even heard of in the pros which is unusual considering they were the top ammys in America at that point. Got their chins cracked too young it looked like.


yeah gomez was a beast but got dropped sometimes
but he could hit like a truck and good range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvYvHFfX8M
here is a sweet ko by him


and thats a good point you about the american fighters actually
but what needs to be mentioned as well is that things in the ussr were very political
it was not always the best guy who was on the national team



here is a crazy heavyweight they had in 80's
look how he moves and is so fluid
would have been real interesting in 80s heavyweight scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaVcg_YvIM8&t=289s

Yakovlev fight starts around 27 min mark

I watched Yakovlevs fight with Garcia at the end of the one USSR-USA meet yesterday.

“Doctor” Ferdie Pacheco (spelling) was a commentator who I always hate but it was comical how biased he was against Yakovlev. Garcia barely landed a punch but he kept going on about how Yakovlev was scared to fight and Garcia was too tough and a “street fighter.” Wasn’t until the 3rd round when Garcia was about to get dropped that they bregrudingly gave Yakovlev any credit. 

I heard them mention on the broadcast that Yakovlev beat Stevenson the year prior, although it was like 1986 so Stevenson was definitely past his prime.

This link is an “exhibition” between Ali and three top Soviet hwts including Vysotsky. This is around the Spinks fight circa 1978 so keep in mind that Ali was already starting to slur and show effects of his illness but he was still a world class fighter, he gets the shit kicked out of him.

https://youtu.be/sZQ9dhQRahA

5/23/19 1:28 PM
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Just got to Savchenko who I admit I hadn’t seen before. He looked like a killer, he walked that guy down like nothing.

 He had a different style than most of the other soviets on this team who employed an almost Lomachenko/even prime Fedor style where they were light on their feet and constantly feinting and probing with their hands, especially the lead hand. I’ll have to watch more of him

It is interesting because Lomachenkos dad (and trainer) was the Soviet Olympic coach correct? Or was he the Ukrainian national coach . Anyway you can see the stark difference in their style compared to the USA and similarities to Loma imo.


i know loma's dad was always a big coach in ukraine/russia area and is pretty unique in training methods and if you want someone more similar to his style here is

viktor rybakov
euro champ, 3rd in olympics, was known to be a master of footwork and hard to trap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLi0yiz91fE


and here Viktor Savchenko against jose gomez another hard hitter
they fought a bunch of times with both winning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_7V2ek8kE


Wow Gomez was a beast, wasn’t expecting that. Dude was rangy as hell with dynamite in his hands, almost like a middleweight teofilo. 

Im watching him shellack Ramos right now. I wonder how many careers were derailed/ruined when the usually much younger Americans got the shit kicked out of them by the career amateur communists. Most of the team USA guys I’ve been watching I haven’t even heard of in the pros which is unusual considering they were the top ammys in America at that point. Got their chins cracked too young it looked like.


yeah gomez was a beast but got dropped sometimes
but he could hit like a truck and good range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvYvHFfX8M
here is a sweet ko by him


and thats a good point you about the american fighters actually
but what needs to be mentioned as well is that things in the ussr were very political
it was not always the best guy who was on the national team



here is a crazy heavyweight they had in 80's
look how he moves and is so fluid
would have been real interesting in 80s heavyweight scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaVcg_YvIM8&t=289s

Yakovlev fight starts around 27 min mark

I watched Yakovlevs fight with Garcia at the end of the one USSR-USA meet yesterday.

“Doctor” Ferdie Pacheco (spelling) was a commentator who I always hate but it was comical how biased he was against Yakovlev. Garcia barely landed a punch but he kept going on about how Yakovlev was scared to fight and Garcia was too tough and a “street fighter.” Wasn’t until the 3rd round when Garcia was about to get dropped that they bregrudingly gave Yakovlev any credit. 

I heard them mention on the broadcast that Yakovlev beat Stevenson the year prior, although it was like 1986 so Stevenson was definitely past his prime.

This link is an “exhibition” between Ali and three top Soviet hwts including Vysotsky. This is around the Spinks fight circa 1978 so keep in mind that Ali was already starting to slur and show effects of his illness but he was still a world class fighter, he gets the shit kicked out of him.

https://youtu.be/sZQ9dhQRahA


yeah it is crazy about how bias pacheco was against Yakovlev...guys like him i noticed always tried to find something wrong with every soviet boxer they saw...


that's a good find with Ali and Vyotsky
i have not seen that one in a long time



one guy middleweight that not many heard of here is
Vyacheslav Lemeshev who is probably more famous in russia then most
of the guys we have talked about
a middle weight champion, with an insane right hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5OEa1WuKmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPtyt4Z9WMw

here is his story

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/103985

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/104029
5/23/19 4:51 PM
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The history of boxing would definitely be much different had the Soviets been able to turn pro.

5/23/19 7:28 PM
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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.

5/24/19 1:25 AM
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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.


that is a huge if

him vs ggg
or canelo would have been awesome

his style is similar to some russians in the
50 and 60s
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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.

The chess grandmaster!

Dude was good.

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boxingman -
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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.


that is a huge if

him vs ggg
or canelo would have been awesome

his style is similar to some russians in the
50 and 60s

I'd have liked to see him fight Martinez. IIRC Priog was supposed to fight Golovkin after Ishida anyway.

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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.

Pirog was special. It’s such a shame he suffered a career ending back injury. Theirs no fucking telling what that guy could’ve accomplished.

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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.

Pirog was special. It’s such a shame he suffered a career ending back injury. Theirs no fucking telling what that guy could’ve accomplished.


this is a good segment on him

if you have not seen
check it out
27 days ago
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Stern -
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What about Dimitry Pirog?

 

Always thought he was a big what if.

Pirog was special. It’s such a shame he suffered a career ending back injury. Theirs no fucking telling what that guy could’ve accomplished.

I agree.

this is one of the better threads in here in a long while.

Many guys I never heard of I want to look up also.

27 days ago
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Valeri Popenchenko was another brilliant Soviet middleweight. Took gold in 64 in Tokyo and the Val Barker Trophy.

The first Soviet to ever win a gold medal in the Olympics was featherweight Vladimir Safronov who took gold in Melbourne and finished his amateur career with a record of 564-1

26 days ago
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Valeri Popenchenko was another brilliant Soviet middleweight. Took gold in 64 in Tokyo and the Val Barker Trophy.

The first Soviet to ever win a gold medal in the Olympics was featherweight Vladimir Safronov who took gold in Melbourne and finished his amateur career with a record of 564-1


yeah those were the big legends

soviet boxing was at its peak in the 1960s in the time of popenchenko

and other legends like boris laugtin and viktor Ageev and others


this is a great video on popenchenko he is in white trucks usually
laying guys out...if he turned he would have been one of the greatest of all time...i have very little doubt about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGCruwHxQWs



and here is Igor Vysotsky laying out an american dude out
he looks like a short tank


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar8DBVz6WUE





26 days ago
10/14/02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWxMhp-4P2s

here Bivol the currect 175 champ
his highlight which includes some popenchenko footage because
he was taught popenchenko's style which was different then most guys

from what i heard popenchenko's friend's had done some coaching with him

you can see it