What if ... FBI acknowledges Controlled Demolition of WTC

6/16/11 8:28 PM
12/3/03
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oh brother.

the japanese govt. is even questioning this shit. Yukuhisa Fujita. most of the world thinks it was a false flag aight?

you have to be really fucking stupid to think 18 guys in a cave outsmarted the top military power in the world.

the US has had a history of massive conspiracies. Mass brainwashing of the population, CIA control of the media, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods.


Actually if you look at Northwoods it shows that AT THE VERY LEAST it is possible for govt. to be staging false attacks on itself in order to garner support for a war.

Resarch it. those who dismiss the govt. are INCAPBLE of this or have NEVER thought of it are really dumb. I bet there are paid shills on this site. No one can be this dumb.

6/16/11 8:30 PM
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I didn't read this thread, but anyone who thinks WTC 7 fell on its own is actually a danger to themselves and society, and should be institutionalized.
6/16/11 8:35 PM
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^ I agree. I just tell people forget about everything and concentrate on tower 7.

I really do agree that people who don't even find it ODD in the least that a building that merely caught on fire due to debris would implode on itself.

6/16/11 8:35 PM
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I bet there are paid shills on this site


The last resort of every Conspiritard.

The government is everywhere. I'm being watched. Oh no, everyone and everything is part of the conspiracy.

It's called paranoia and is a REAL mental illness. Please seek help.
6/16/11 8:37 PM
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No one is claiming Tower 7 "fell all by itself". Read the WIKI article dumbasses.
6/16/11 8:40 PM
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Tidbits - 
I bet there are paid shills on this site


The last resort of every Conspiritard.

The government is everywhere. I'm being watched. Oh no, everyone and everything is part of the conspiracy.

It's called paranoia and is a REAL mental illness. Please seek help.


People love to reply to shit like this because it is easy, but refuse to reply to real shit on this subject. It wouldn't be so frustrating if people were not so indignant with their replies.

BTW, I directly replied to one of your posts.
6/16/11 8:41 PM
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cottonzway - 
Tidbits - For the conspiritards. Since you believe 9-11 was an operation carried out by the US government.

Yes Or No

1.do you believe there are ANY good, upstanding, patriotic people who work for the federal governement?

2. If yes then explain why not a single person has come forth with any verifiable/credible evidence.

How many people do you think it would take to have pulled off 9-11?

10, 100, 1000?

The only person capable of keeping a secret is a dead person. The more people who know about something the harder it is to keep secret. in fact exponentialy harder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories

GAME OVER!


Who said if you think there is a different story that it means it was carried out by the government?

There are a lot of great patriots in the government. There are many that have spoken out that they tried to prevent the attacks and have tried to get to the core of WTF happened.

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer
FBI agent Robert Wright
FBI agent Coleen Rowley

Look at what these people have to say before being so closed-minded.
6/16/11 8:44 PM
12/3/03
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bbc reported the collapse before it actually collapsed!!

and then when asked for the video they say they lost it.

LMFAO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo

are people this stupid????
6/16/11 8:45 PM
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The Horror - I didn't read this thread, but anyone who thinks WTC 7 fell on its own is actually a danger to themselves and society, and should be institutionalized.



Really? How about the photos with the gaping hole that goes for many floors?

The conspiracy folks leave those photos out to make their theories more plausible.
6/16/11 8:49 PM
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The conspiritards IGNORE ANYTHING that refutes their version.

Yes cootonzway I ignored you because you didn't answer my questions.

The WIKI article I posted DESTROYS every theory being presented by conspiritards here, including the BBC reporting the tower fell before it did. The reporter admitted to making an error in the heat of the moment and confusion that was going on.
6/16/11 8:50 PM
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Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
“… we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years
" ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good."
"I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it. "
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post.


Lets not listen to these guys with years of experience and were there to see this shit with their own eyes, right conspiracy folks?

Let me guess... all of you conspiracy folks claiming a controlled demo were there, right?
6/16/11 8:53 PM
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Tidbits - The conspiritards IGNORE ANYTHING that refutes their version.

Yes cootonzway I ignored you because you didn't answer my questions.

The WIKI article I posted DESTROYS every theory being presented by conspiritards here, including the BBC reporting the tower fell before it did. The reporter admitted to making an error in the heat of the moment and confusion that was going on.


WTF are you even talking about? Read your post and my reply. You asked if there were good people and patriots in the government and I not only told you YES, but gave you some of their names.
6/16/11 9:04 PM
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lazermonkey - Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
“… we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years
" ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good."
"I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it. "
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post.


Lets not listen to these guys with years of experience and were there to see this shit with their own eyes, right conspiracy folks?

Let me guess... all of you conspiracy folks claiming a controlled demo were there, right?


Do you really want to start talking about eye witness testimony? We could start with the witnesses at the Pentagon if you'd like.
6/16/11 9:08 PM
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http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
6/16/11 9:08 PM
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"you have to be really fucking stupid to think 18 guys in a cave outsmarted the top military power in the world."........... Yea because it's not like those guys in the cave kept the USSR mired down for years. Dumb argument is dumb. Phone Post
6/16/11 9:10 PM
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damn, EM put the cal on anyone willing & no one stepped up.

always enjoy your posts Evil.
6/16/11 9:11 PM
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The Horror - 
lazermonkey - Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years
“… we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years
" ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good."
"I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it. "
"There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post.


Lets not listen to these guys with years of experience and were there to see this shit with their own eyes, right conspiracy folks?

Let me guess... all of you conspiracy folks claiming a controlled demo were there, right?


Do you really want to start talking about eye witness testimony? We could start with the witnesses at the Pentagon if you'd like.



Yep. Here we go.

Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA TODAY
A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

Deb Anlauf
Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on.

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."

David Battle
Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking."

Omar Campo
Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head.

"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."

Gary Bauer, former Presidential candidate
“I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.

“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.

Mickey Bell
Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton´s headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much.

The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.
6/16/11 9:12 PM
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Mark Bright, Defense Protective Service officer
Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building.

"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.

He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.

James R. Cissell
''Out of my peripheral vision,'' Cissell said, ''I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower.

''If you couldn't touch it from standing on the highway, you could by standing on your car.''

In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind.

''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said.

He remembers the helipad the plane flew over before smacking into the Pentagon was close enough to him that ''I could have thrown a baseball at it and hit it.''

Dan Creed
He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.

"It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said.

"I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.

Don Fortunato
“Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think.”

Afework Hagos
Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."

Tom Hovis
Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time.

As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me. Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage.

Terrance Kean
Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window.

"I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

Charles H. Krohn
One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs. Those fleeing the building heard a loud secondary explosion about 10 min. after the initial impact.

Maj. Lincoln Leibner
Maj. Leibner drove in and made it as far as the south parking lot, where he got out on foot. "I heard the plane first," he said. "I thought it was a flyover Arlington cemetery."

From his vantage point, Maj. Leibner looked up and saw the plane come in. "I was about 100 yards away," he said. "You could see through the windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit."

The plane came in hard and level and was flown full throttle into the building, dead center mass, Maj. Leibner said. "The plane completely entered the building," he said. "I got a little repercussion, from the sound, the blast. I've heard artillery, and that was louder than the loudest has to offer.

6/16/11 9:12 PM
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Elaine McCusker
Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just ‘No, no, no, no,’ because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.

William Middleton Sr.
William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft.

Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.

Mare Ann Owens
Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.

The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.

Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.

Christine Peterson
I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing.

And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire.

Frank Probst
American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

Clyde Ragland
Ragland described billowing black smoke and "what looked like white confetti raining down everywhere." He said it soon became apparent "that the 'confetti' was little bits of airplane, falling down after being flung high into the bright, blue sky."

Tim Timmerman
A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball."

Thomas D. Trapasso
Thomas D. Trapasso, a political appointee in the Clinton Administration who is now looking for work, was making telephone calls from his deck in Arlington Village, about 1 mi. south of the Pentagon and just west of the Interstate 395 (I-395) highway. He was startled by the large American Airlines aircraft flying about 300 ft. overhead. "The engines were just screaming, and the wheels were up," Trapasso said. "It disappeared over the trees, and I heard a boom. I knew something awful had happened--that an airplane had crashed somewhere in Washington, D.C.

Alan Wallace
About 9:40, Alan Wallace had finished fixing the foam metering valve on the back of his fire truck parked in the Pentagon fire station and walked to the front of the station. He looked up and saw a jetliner coming straight at him. It was about 25 feet off the ground, no landing wheels visible, a few hundred yards away and closing fast.

"Runnnnn!" he yelled to a pal. There was no time to look back, barely time to scramble. He made it about 30 feet, heard a terrible roar, felt the heat, and dove underneath a van, skinning his stomach as he slid along the blacktop, sailing under it as though he were riding a luge. The van protected him against burning metal that was flying around. A few seconds later he was sliding back out to check on his friend and then race back to the firetruck. He jumped in, threw it into gear, but the accelerator was dead. The entire back of the truck was destroyed, the cab on fire. He grabbed the radio headset and called the main station at Fort Myer to report the unimaginable.

The sun was still low in the sky, obscured by the Pentagon and the enormous billowing clouds of acrid smoke, making it hauntingly dark. The ground was on fire. Trees were on fire. Hot slices of aluminum were everywhere.
6/16/11 9:13 PM
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Let me guess... All of the above eye witness accounts were made up by the Government, right?

6/16/11 9:13 PM
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damn this is so frustrating.

people can't even entertain the POSSIBILITY the govt. would've caused this attack for their own personal gain.

who gained and who lost after this shit?

all the middle easterners got ravaged and the govt. who supposedly supported this shit got wiped out in days.

In order for a stronger country to attack a weaker country, the stronger country needs to make up some crap in order to attack to not look like the bully.

Japan did this to china with the manchurian incident. The US did this with Tonkin. The US WANTED to do it to cuba with northwoods.

these weak dictatorships DO NOT want to attack the US because they know they will get jacked in days and be hanged just like saddam.

i'm telling people. Read the history of the CIA book Legacy of Ashes, and see what the US has done in the last 50-60 years in the name of anti-communism, freedom fighting etc. Witness all the conspiracies, coverups, funding of terrorists and dictators etc. and then look at 9/11 with a rational viewpoint. then ask yourself is it possible?

If you are not mentally insane, the answer is YES, it's possible.

as long as people think this there is still hope for humanity.
6/16/11 9:17 PM
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Everyone is fucked. There are entities that want nothing less than you wage-slave-soul. Deny all you want, heretics.

Thomas Jefferson said, paraphrasing here, "if there isn't a revolution every generation youre doing it wrong..." Phone Post
6/16/11 9:21 PM
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6/16/11 9:22 PM
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 Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.
6/16/11 9:23 PM
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War freedom! Phone Post